I'm here to learn about the fundamentals of investing

I'm here to learn about the fundamentals of investing

w-what do you mean I have to watch trumps shitposting on true-social?

Why do you hate making money anon?

the president manipulates the market and thats a good thing

bro

Do you want the people on Truth Social buying crypto? Or not buying crypto?

Tough call.

get gold and silver anon, this market is fucked thanks to Trump rugpulling the entire world stock market.

w-what do you mean I have to watch trumps shitposting on true-social?

this is the new norm, the only fundamental of the market

If you've come to Anon Babble to learn about investing you're going to be in for a very bad time
These retards panic sell the bottom of any and all crashes and buy the top of bull markets
The only reason to come to this board is to use it as an inverse indicator

this is the new norm, the only fundamental of the market

I say this because my nephew was asking about investing in stocks and I was thinking.... do I try to to explain to him p/e ratios and inflation or just tell him the truth (trump will rip the markets on shitposts) lmao

The US Securities Exchange Act defines market manipulation as "transactions which create an artificial price or maintain an artificial price for a tradable security."

Telling someone "I think now is a good time to buy something" is not market manipulation nor is it insider trading. You are not a lawyer. You do not know what these things even are.

You mean like artificially lowering the prices overnight via tariffs then undoing it after telling people to buy?

I find it hard to believe you're this retarded. He did tariffs to protect US business and promote industrial growth, not to lower the stock market. It was the side effects of a policy, not the intention. You would have to prove in court that he was implementing tariffs specifically in order to hurt the stock market and make money, not that it happened coincidentally. Mouth breathing troglodyte

i came here with the reddit troon raid

you all must spoonfeed me now

you all must talk about subjects i like

you must keep discussion at a level i can understand

I won't listen tto you

I'll question everything said despite being new and clueless

you must spoonfeed me but only information i approve

I'll pretend im smart by name dropping p/e ratios and inflation

now they'll think i am one of them

My god we haven't even recovered from the gme redditor invasion

He did tariffs to protect US business and promote industrial growth

For a couple of hours?

Yes because the point was to get countries to renegotiate trade which is exactly they are doing by sending the delegates. are you actually literally retarded?

manipulates

bro, do you even know what money is? why cant you into arbitrage?

the point was to get countries to renegotiate trade

No it wasn't, he turned down negotiation offers and tariffed countries that already have FTAs/no tariffs on the US, as well as separate territories with different rates as their actual nations.

anon 1. never listen to don jr. 2 always listen to trump

3. reddifags are always wrong if they say we are crashing we are building for a pump

4. bitcoin and xrp are now save havens in market dumps
5. if you think the usa is going to collapse realize that its the usa and it won't.

be pro america nomatter the president a trade war is a country war and every person with money is on America's side thats how tarrifs work

No it wasn't

Yes it was.

he turned down negotiation offers

No he didn't. He turned down an opening offer. Not an offer to negotiate.

tariffed countries that already have FTAs/no tariffs on the US

This is disingenuous democrat propaganda. They don't have "tariffs" but they have things that are basically tariffs in a round about way, so call them whatever you want.

as well as separate territories with different rates as their actual nations

Probably because those separate territories have separate import fees, genius.

He turned down an opening offer. Not an offer to negotiate.

You negotiate with offers. Don't like it make a counteroffer.

This is disingenuous democrat propaganda

Is Trump a Democrat? He personally negotiated the USMCA and called it the best deal ever, after all.

They don't have "tariffs" but they have things that are basically tariffs in a round about way

May I see them specifically? Did Trump at any moment list exactly what countries like Australia and Switzerland are doing that he doesn't like? No, he just asked an LLM to draft a random formula.

those separate territories have separate import fees

No retard he tariffed uninhabited islands and territories like the Falklands and Réunion which are members of unitary states and can't decide their own trade policies. He tariffed a British territory which only has American and British military personnel separately.

pumping and dumping the markets are a little different to 'arbitrage' lil bro
The thing is, he is unpredictable. its not some patriotic duty to buy stonks. you think these antics are over? yield curve, inflation, also its like the world is forgetting a 10% flat tariff and chinase 125% is still in place, you're not going ATH until thats removed.
will he wake up from a lucid dream at 2 AM and decide to remove all tariffs? he could, he could also go the other way.
the point is more than anything the markets want predictability WHICH TRUMP IS NOT. you have monitor his social media like he's an unstable toddler

exactly, my point is it goes both ways with his unpredictability and the little guy (us) get hurt because we're not in his inner circle.

He said he was going to tariffs countries so we can renogoriate trade with them. He created new tariffs and has paused them because nearly every country has agreed to renegotiate trade. How is that "saying he's going to do something he didn't do"? It's exactly what he said he was going to do.

JUST like the border, locking hillary up, deporting all.

Are entirely different arguments we can have if you would like.

bro, the numbers on the tariffs were so ridiculous and yes even penguins meme.
am I suppose to know he's bullshitting the whole time? maybe you can deduce that but I don't want to micro-analyze everything he says to trade things.
trump is exceptional with his volatility he brings.
sure he did tariffs, but he slapped 25% average on nearly every country.
ridiculous

Do you think not accepting a first offer means you're not negotiating?

Because he didn't make a counter offer or give any indication as to what he wanted?

What does that have to do with the fact that USMCA isn't the end all be all to trade?

It has to do with the fact that he personally said it was a great deal and then went back and tariffed Canada and Mexico out of nowhere claiming they're ripping the US off without offering any substance to that claim.

they can have separate import laws

Do you not know what a unitary state is? No, The Falklands and Reunion cannot set separate trade legislation from the UK and France. Nor can the fucking US and UK troops in the British Indian Ocean.

I'm addressing every point

Except for being asked what exactly are Australia (has an FTA and trade deficit with the US) and Switzerland (unilaterally dropped tariffs) are doing to "cheat" the US, explaining why uninhabited territories like the Heard Island and McDonald Islands got tariffs, or a literal military base with US troops in it.

bro, the numbers on the tariffs were so ridiculous

How so?

maybe you can deduce that but I don't want to micro-analyze everything he says to trade things.

Why would I want to do that? Clearly you're far too emotional to think right now

trump is exceptional with his volatility he brings

A new argument. Can we both agree he was not insider trading then? And that his intention with tariffs was to re negotiate trade deal?

sure he did tariffs, but he slapped 25% average on nearly every country.

ridiculous
Is that working to make them re negotiate trade deals?

Do you think not accepting a first offer means you're not negotiating? Why would that be the case?

Ok, someone approaches me about wanting something from me. Let's say a deck of trading cards. They offer their own deck of trading cards, but then I refuse for whatever reason. The next day, I go to them and hand them 3/4ths of my trading cards for free.

Did I make a good deal, or did I fucking fold and give them most of what they wanted in the first place for nothing when I could've gotten it for something?

How so?

baby steps, 25% is massive.

Why would I want to do that? Clearly you're far too emotional to think right now

its not emotional, its the reality. if you want to trade in these markets you have to watch what he's shitposting next

Can we both agree he was not insider trading then?

bro no. look at the graph floating around, 30 minutes before it was announced there was insider trading.

And that his intention with tariffs was to re negotiate trade deal?

the same president that sells shoes, bibles, and memecoins? hi interest is scamming the american public

Is that working to make them re negotiate trade deals?

if you want to sacrifice the little guys retirements, sure.

a tranny cares about finances only because he wants to stick it to Trump

Don't you ever get exhausted from being so boring?

Because he didn't make a counter offer or give any indication as to what he wanted?

So what? That means he's negotiating from a stronger position when he does go to the table. Maybe he wants to do it in person.

It has to do with the fact that he personally said it was a great deal and then went back and tariffed Canada and Mexico out of nowhere claiming they're ripping the US off without offering any substance to that claim.

He did substantiate that claim. We're not putting tarrifs on Mexico because of uneven trade. We're primarily doing it because they lack border security which is causing illegal drugs, weapons, and people to flow into our country. Also, USMCA doesn't prevent any country from tariffing or otherwise impeding the US, and is therefore no reason not to tariffs anyone, although I hear it was a pretty good deal.

Do you not know what a unitary state is? No, The Falklands and Reunion cannot set separate trade legislation from the UK and France.

That's up to them, fascist

Except for being asked what exactly are Australia (has an FTA and trade deficit with the US) and Switzerland (unilaterally dropped tariffs) are doing to "cheat" the US,

they were impeeding US imports, meaning we had a trade deal some would considered poor.

sorry, not a big partier. I prefer being able to understand whats happening in the market

baby steps, 25% is massive.

This is a subjective opinion

its not emotional, its the reality. if you want to trade in these markets you have to watch what he's shitposting next

Most people understand it's wise for an investor to follow news and politics. It's always been that way

bro no. look at the graph floating around, 30 minutes before it was announced there was insider trading

Insider trading is the illegal act of buying or selling a company's securities based on confidential, nonpublic information about the company.

Is a public social media post nonpublic information?

the same president that sells shoes, bibles, and memecoins? hi interest is scamming the american public

But there are delegates coming to re negotiate trade deals, right?

if you want to sacrifice the little guys retirements

Your retirement is fine.

Ok, someone approaches me about wanting something from me. Let's say a deck of trading cards. They offer their own deck of trading cards, but then I refuse for whatever reason. The next day, I go to them and hand them 3/4ths of my trading cards for free.

I'm not getting your analogy at all. Be literal. Just because you don't accept a first offer on your house doesn't mean you're not selling it. That's not how business or haggling works.

I'm not getting your analogy at all. Be literal. Just because you don't accept a first offer on your house doesn't mean you're not selling it. That's not how business or haggling works.

Ok let me be direct. The EU gave us an offer to drop tariffs. We refused, and thus got nothing. We are now dropping the tariffs anyway, not completely but still dropping them, in exchange for literally nothing. Instead of making a deal, Trump folded and gave them exactly what they were open to make concessions for for free.

That means he's negotiating from a stronger position when he does go to the table

Saying no to an offer does nothing to either reinforce or strengthen your position.

He did substantiate that claim

No, he flatly did not. He claimed that Canada is getting tariffed because muh fentanyl and then his administration released a report which didn't list Canada as a source of fentanyl. He also went back on tariffing Mexico after changing nothing.

USMCA doesn't prevent any country from tariffing

The USMCA is literally a tool for negotiating trade barriers such as tariffs. He personally negotiated every existing trade term with Canada and Mexico.

That's up to them, fascist

Nice "argument", thanks for agreeing that Trump is retarded and just tariffed shit at random without putting any thought into it.

they were impeeding US imports

By doing what, specifically? I want direct citations of trade practices by the Trump administration. Or an admission that Trump is retarded, you pick.

Alright final (you) I'm giving you.
I am begining to think you're a MIGAshill at this point

This is a subjective opinion

sure, and so is if he slapped 1000000% tariff right? theory of relativity is amazing huh

Most people understand it's wise for an investor to follow news and politics. It's always been that way

hes actively telling you to buy, little to on the nose? no? let me guess 'this is a subjective opinion'

Is a public social media post nonpublic information?

this is different, it was 30 minutes BEFORE it was announced

Your retirement is fine.

"This is a subjective opinion"
how fun

anyways paid shill, you do not argue in good faith

MAGA are all lowlifes and criminals. More news at 11.

Actually big players should absolutely steal money from all other investors behind the scenes.

What crack pipe are you smoking.

Lowering trade implies lowering revenues which would tank the stock market

like I said here (((E8SQvmpf))) has to be on a pay roll of some sort. he's just farming (you)s

How did he steal money from you? Did you panic sell the bottom like an impulsive tranny?

(((E8SQvmpf)))
explain away

The EU gave us an offer to drop tariffs. We refused, and thus got nothing.

Now we negotiate from a position of power when we do decide to negotiate with the EU.

Saying no to an offer does nothing to either reinforce or strengthen your position.

I strongly disagree

No, he flatly did not. He claimed that Canada is getting tariffed because muh fentanyl and then his administration released a report which didn't list Canada as a source of fentanyl. He also went back on tariffing Mexico after changing nothing.

So you admit fentanyl is entering our border through both states?

The USMCA is literally a tool for negotiating trade barriers such as tariffs.

And?

He personally negotiated every existing trade term with Canada and Mexico.

Hilariously false.

Nice "argument"

Sovereignty is not an argument, it's a natural right, fascist.

By doing what, specifically? I want direct citations

Cite this dick, faggot.

sure, and so is if he slapped 1000000% tariff right? theory of relativity is amazing huh

Pretty big difference between 1000000 and 25

hes actively telling you to buy, little to on the nose? no?

Nope.

this is different, it was 30 minutes BEFORE it was announced

So what?

"This is a subjective opinion"

how fun
Yep. I think you're gonna be fine

anyways paid shill, you do not argue in good faith

Argue in good faith!!!

He said while posting Trump with Jeffery Epstein. Imagine thinking you deserve a good faith argument. Hilariously pathetic.

Renegotiateing =/= lowering

I posted earlier today about how I thought Trump would drop tariffs on states other than China before he did it. Maybe they just have a good head on their shoulders.

Except the problem is Trump has demonstrated he is an incredibly unreliable partner in these negotiations.

Irrelevant. We don't need them, and ignoring their offer should make that more obvious.

That's Trump's intention mind you, keep the media focused on his antics rather than going after every single person on his office like they did on his first mandate. Its a good strategy not gonna lie.

Now we negotiate from a position of power when we do decide to negotiate with the EU.

Except the problem is Trump has demonstrated he is an incredibly unreliable partner in these negotiations. Canada did what we wanted, then we hit them again anyway. Same for Mexico. What reason do they have to make deals that can very well just delay tariffs for another month before Trump decides to try shaking them down again? You can't rely on a market that is going to keep changing the rules overnight; it just isn't worth it to invest in the US at this point because the next day tariffs can either rise or fall depending on Trump's mood. And now China is more open to making deals with them while also having the upside of not being liable to randomly stab them in the back or extort them like the US.

So we're driving them right to China, just like we're doing with the rest of the market because shockingly, people would rather deal with Xi than the guy who's liable to randomly backstab you because he wanted to stroke his ego that day.

Canada did what we wanted, then we hit them again anyway. Same for Mexico.

They did not do what we wanted. We WANT Canada. Mexico is still an open border on their end.

So we're driving them right to China

Sure. They should invite in the Chinese military. Maybe station some of their missiles there.

Ok, so there's no getting through to you because you seem to be under the impression the US can survive being isolationist and somehow people are magically gonna spawn factories here. Got it.

Strawman argument

Telling someone "I'm going to impose massive tarriffs on the whole world starting from April 9th" when you're secretly telling your buddies you plan to announce a 90 day pause

Whatever you tell yourself, no serious investors will believe this wasn't a scheme for the benefit of insiders, the US is going to suffer for it because no outsider wants to be a sucker for insiders. Securities that are maximally insulated from Trump's manipulation will be looking a lot more attractive to investors

no outsider wants to be a sucker for insiders

well said

Securities that are maximally insulated from Trump's manipulation will be looking a lot more attractive to investors

Aside from foreign currencies what do you have in mind?

He did tariffs to protect US business and promote industrial growth

Which he failed at.

finance and business are two very different things.
Most finance should be considered a subsection of political studies.