Guys I don't think the tariffs are going away

Buy $100B in Krispy Keme donuts!

No one is going to do this are you retarded.

buy our quality products

which are...? you guys make JACKSHIT

Then don't do it but don't be surprised the US also stopped buying your products

i'm convimced at least half of miggers are trolls acting retarded on purpose to farm (you)'s

Lol you're the ones claiming the US doesn't produce anything when we're one of the largest exporters in the world

How are you even going to do that
With the latest chimpout, I think even if the EU reached a zero for zero deal, EU citizens would leave American goods in the store. And frankly that's what I plan on doing as well

musk lost all the cards after he lost wisconsin, he's worthless now. It's honestly pathetic.

Musk made direct appeals to Trump to reverse sweeping new tariffs

source: Elon Musk

lmao
Elon has realized that he's made everyone on both side hate him and now he's desperately trying to salvage his reputation by turning against Trump too.

US also stopped buying your products

Yeah, i's sure you'll support made in America and gladly pay 400$ for a pair of sneakers.

Doing what?
You're the ones who think us restricting access to our market is literally financial terrorism.
You'll sell your useless garbage here once you start buying our products

if you want our money buy our products, crying on the internet won't fix it turdie

Holy shit I think I figured it out: Trump wants to reduce the trade deficit.
One way to do this would be to make countries buy more stuff from us, but dirt poor countries like Whogivesafuckistan obviously can't buy billions in American goods.
So Trumps plan is to use tarrifs to drive up inflation, thus making Americans poor, which means we cant afford to buy anything, especially foreign goods.
8D checkers. Trust the plan.

sewing air jordan is temporary, but american greatness will be eternal. trust ze plan

I can't hear you over the trade deficit you have with US, American products suck and nothing can compel us to buy them

then don't and we won't buy yours either, was it that hard?

You are just going to move factories from Vietnam to places that have low imports to the US at the moment and get the lowest tariffs. Factories will go from Vietnam to Turkey, Guatemala and places in Africa. Net zero result for the US besides that everything is now less efficient and more expensive.

To bring anything back to the US every country should have 30%+ tariffs if they have cheap labor and 20%+ if they are rich (high labor costs). And china should get extra because china also bans stuff like Facebook, YouTube and so on.

The current tariffs as they are designed will just move factories to scatter from Asia to anywhere else that is still cheap or even cheaper. So could be south America, stable parts of Africa, turkey and some other middle east places.

Ok, no one will buy american products

no no you want to buy american products because theyre so good

Nah we won't

HA! See wasnt that hard :^)

Lol
Lmao even

As long as the deficit is eliminated, if you're not buying our shit we won't buy yours, it's not that funny

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Musk seeing the Tesla stock cuts

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Why is trade deficit bad if you have high wages anyways?

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hey retard, I want to buy products cheap instead of paying a massive premium for the same garbage produced domestically by imported labor. your "solution" to this "problem" is to tax me. party of small government my asshole.

trade deficits gut domestic industries

And? Would you rather smelt iron for 8 dollars hour or tap on a keyboard for 40?

party of small government died with Trump you reaganite faggot.
If you hate the US and want to see us deindustrialised and weak feel free to leave

elementary school understanding of economics(american education)

minus bad no matter what

maybe start selling good products, and not shit filled with gmos, cancerogenous chemicals and other useless shit that doesn't pass basic European regulations that even China can pass.

Well USA is buying more than it selling, so if American consumer buys less because of higher prices then the deficit is solved!

It's removing low paying jobs and creating high paying ones. The US has almost no unemployment compared to other countries. Trump is basically trying to solve a problem that doesn't exists. The US will end up with lower wages than even Europe and will give up its leadership in high value industries such as tech and AI if Trump manage to get his way.

wrong moron, this is my country, we can buy products cheap specifically because we are strong, you want to weaken that by being a childish little faggot. there are countless examples of tariffs and autarky failing. you are free to run away four years from now when the country is in ruins and we have to rebuild what you fucked up.

But you don't produce shit, and the few you produce is x10 overpriced, so nobody is interested, especially not 3rd world sweatshop countries.
Your largest export is oil, that Bloumpf tanked to levels not seen since the scamdemic since others countries now expect to cut down on production & exports, so congrats.. your Mangonigger in chief just played himself, but it's you who gonna be thrown under the bus.

The idea that the trade deficit is a problem is not a particularly new observation but you're a chink retard so whatever.

How do you plan to export your inflation if nobody get their hands on your dollaridoos? If deflation is the plan, then it's a retarded one, can't exist in a nation with $37T of debts and relying on deficit spendings like a junkie for fake growth points.

Yes. Tell that old decrepit ass thick ass goggle wearing old as shit ass NYYUGGAAAAA

Cant have a trade deficit if you dont trade.

The trade deficit is maybe an inconvenience in absolute term, but it's a symptom of being a rich economy with a large buying power. You can't see anything in isolation. Making this a priority to fix is like a high paid wagie leaving his job because he is spending too much money buying stuff... What good is it going to do for the US?

So he's going to kill himself, right? The entire world hates him now.

That kind of thinking is painfully simplistic and ignores how trade actually works.

What’s the real goal here?
To reduce the U.S. trade deficit.

And how can that be done?
A) Get other countries to buy more American goods
B) Make it harder to import goods into the U.S.
C) Push factories to relocate from high-tariff, high-export-surplus countries to countries that export less to the U.S. and import more from it, just to dodge tariffs

The smart and effective option is clearly A. Expanding U.S. exports strengthens American businesses, supports jobs, and directly addresses the trade imbalance.

But Trump is going for B—raising tariffs to discourage imports—hoping that will bring manufacturing back to the U.S.

Here’s the issue: unless tariffs are applied broadly and consistently (e.g., a 30% baseline across all imports), companies won’t return to America. They’ll just shift production to whichever country has the lowest tariffs. That leads to C—manufacturing moving from places like China or Cambodia to countries like East Timor or Mexico, not because it benefits the U.S., but simply to sidestep tariff penalties.

And C does nothing for the American economy. It creates supply chain disruptions, raises prices for U.S. consumers, and still leaves the trade deficit intact. It’s just a game of economic musical chairs with zero net benefit.

Worse, Option B often invites retaliation. Other countries slap tariffs on U.S. goods, hurting American exporters and making it even harder to close the trade gap.

If Trump wants results, he should use tariffs as leverage to open up foreign markets to U.S. products. That’s the only way to genuinely grow exports, support American industries, and reduce the deficit in a sustainable way.

Why would I buy pieces of shit from a third world country?

my country

You are literally the only country on earth who can afford unlimited trade deficits with ZERO downside, beside a loss of control over a currency who is already toilet paper tier. What make your standards of living so high is precisely because you never have to face the consequences of your trades deficits...

Let humor's Bloumpf retarded policy and pretend that's it, companies got enough of tariffs and want to come back. What then?
Prumpft will be potus for an extra 3.5 years with no extra mandate possible. Companies have NO clue who will follow next. For all they know the next potus might very well undo all Droumfp policies on day 1, just like Dolan did with Biden few months back.
Bringing back industries will take years, you don't build factories in just few months, then there is all the legal aspect, the urban zoning, the regulations, the workforce's specialization & training, etc...

Do you really believe billions dollars' companies will throw the dices over something wanted by a total lunatic with a hyperego and surrounded with yesmen? For all they know, Dloumprf himself might decide to cancel all his tariffs by next month. Just because. Art of the Deal.

Because your knitted sweater made in Cambodia by a lady with 20 years of knitting experience would cost like a Armani suit even if it was made by the cheapest nigger in the US and probably be worse when you need to pay 20$ an hour instead of 1$ an hour.

But the worst thing about Option B isn't the retaliation, it's the fact that you're taking away the cheap imports that were driving your economy. Even if some of the stuff is produced locally, it will cost ten times as much unless you accept that 20% of your population will now live in abject poverty in urban slums. Not only will that make everything more expensive, it will create mass unemployment. You don't even need other countries to retaliate.
That's why protectionism is so stupid, it makes everyone poorer.

your population will now live in abject poverty in urban slums.

Sadly it appears like it may have been the plan all along.

Here’s the issue: unless tariffs are applied broadly and consistently (e.g., a 30% baseline across all imports), companies won’t return to America.

More importantly, no company would risk tens if not hundreds of millions of dollars doing this when there is an extremely good chance that Trump changes his mind or a Democrat gets elected as the next president. In both cases, any company that took this gamble would be completely fucked, with new domestic factories and supply chains that would become less than worthless.

The options right now for companies are:

do nothing and wait for this to pass

gamble everything on the chance that the tariffs are permanent

Produce something of worth.
In your own country, without the aid of others.
Better than the competition.
At a price equal to or lower than the competition.

Now. How's that wage thing working out? You realising you need standards? Shit.
Maybe there's a reason people don't buy American.

godlike bait

Exactly, no serious company will take the chance at humoring Trump's russian roulette game unless they get reinforced concrete-tier guarantees on policies and contracts.
And Brumpf is totally unable to give them those guarantees because he's changing his mind everyday, and there is nothing big corps planning years ahead hate more than legal uncertainty. That's like economy 101.

The truth is even with tariffs at +100%, nobody will take the risk to come back, beside few unimportant T. cultists maybe. And ultimately it's the US consoomer who will foot the bill. As always.

Protecting key industries can make sense in particular if it's done against purposeful dumping but this flat bullishit is crazy.

Like the aluminum tariffs can make sense as US has only one aluminum plant left able to make military grade aluminum because imports are so much cheaper.
So protecting the aluminum industry can be key for national defence.

Also I could understand use tariffs in retaliatory manners like against china banning google and Facebook till they reverse that policy. Or to punish the export and manufacturing in china of counterfeit goods or goods made with stolen patents.

Tariffs make sense if used carefully and clearly. To achieve a clear objective.

The idea of fixing the trade deficit is only stupid because the implementation is stupid. Increasing US exports would be a great idea. Forcing china to unban Facebook, Whatsapp, x and so on would also bring billions and many jobs to the us. Forcing developing countries to drop import taxes and allow to register fully foreign owned US business is also very smart. Using tariffs against countries that put export taxes towards key raw materials for the US is also smart to reduce US production costs.

There are so many clever use of temporary tariffs. And some permanent use can be allowed for matters on national security.

But what Trump has done is just bad economics.

Then pay the tariff and shut the fuck up.

Write a cheque to cover for the difference.

Are digital services/goods included in the calculation of the trade deficits?

This sounds smart and I'm pretty sure Trump has heard something along these lines from Musk or others. Still, he went along with the proposal of one of his advisors, whose business just happens to benefit from Americans tanking losses. Weird how that works, huh? I'm afraid Trump has lots of bad actors around him, especially the ones with dual nationality.

Every number was crunched, they spared no expense.

Also there is the catch 22 issue.

If you are a business making let's say toy RC cars. You don't make all the components. You maybe make 30% yourself plus assembly but parts like the electric motor and the battery and the little rubber tires likely are bought from other companies. You might make the plastics and the electronics yourself but not battery, motors, suspension springs and led lights. You also probably buy the antennas from a company specialized doing that.

Now let's say you really want to avoid the 46% tariffs that your factory faces in Vietnam now and want to move to the US.

You can't really do it until at least some of the components manufacturers that supply you do the same or you still pay tariffs on most of your product on top of the higher labor costs and taxes in the states.

But none of your components suppliers will move to the states unless a substantial number of RC toys factories move there first ad they have no clients there.

So it's catch 22.

Much easier to set up an assembly plant that just puts the components together in Guatemala which has low tariffs and send the finished product to the US with only 10% tariffs and as long as it's final assembly is there it doesn't count as Chinese or vietnamese it's a Guatemalan product.

The result is that no business goes back and products get more expensive and supply chains get longer to dodge the tariffs and delivery times longer.

If Trump puts 50% tariffs on china and 30% everywhere else besides rich and friendly countries that also have high labor costs and for them he could put 15% than you could get factories coming back if the policy was set in stone and long lasting.

As in that case there would be only the option to pay the higher tariffs or move to the states. And it would drive factories away from china weakening them if that is a political goal as the super high tariffs there would make it particularly bad for business.

You're missing one very big option:
D - Let's make a deal.
Kinda Trump's whole schtick, right.
He is bargaining from a position of strength. Each country is invited to make a deal to reduce or remove tariffs.
Maybe he's just addicted to making deals and this gets him his fix? Deals for everyone!

What the fuck are they going to buy from the US. If some shithole nation buys American farm equipment and outputs several times that of crops that the US buys (so now they run a deficit) wtf are they going to buy when they make $1 a day? Is America going to sell 100 billion of louisville sluggers?

The countries where poor people make $1/day are usually sitting on a ton of wealth hoarded by their elites and aristocracy. Maybe those people can buy some US debt, or otherwise invest or share some wealth.

He's already rejected removing tariffs as an option. Are you not following? He's saying "If Americans buy 100 million of stuff from you, then you need to pay the US Treasury 100 million back". Does this sound like a "deal"?

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It sounds like a shitty deal. Thus forcing a negotiation. You see what I mean? Do nothing, get screwed over. Make a call and let's chat.