Something that is deliberately not being addressed in tariff talks by the (((top economists))). The purpose of a tariff isn't just to collect a fee, it's to try to foster a self contained system that doesn't bleed money and work. Henry Ford had the ideal concept of a "worker citizen" for a reason, he knew that if you paid people well, they would have money to buy things from you.
Something that is deliberately not being addressed in tariff talks by the (((top economists)))...
The US print trillions of dollars every year.
Good luck having a healthy economy trying to absorb all of them.
You are proving the point. Since we are getting bled dry of real wealth and work, they are filling the gaps with state debt spending. Mortgaging our future to make sure we can keep gobbling up cheap slop from Asia.
It's basically a ploy to tell you t hat being in massive unpayable debt, instead of debts you can quickly pay off and only have because it costs you more not to have them, is fine because it's CONVENIENT like this faggotoid europoor telling us we should never try to balance the budget (even though tariff duties on consoomers and getting people off welfare rolls by bringing back 20 million jobs is literally what would do that).
"Bleed out" but walmart shelves are stocked with crap sold to you by pakistanis.
Oh
And immigration, mass immigration and the US being 55% white, is also a consequence of this. You can deport 80 million foreigners with ease if you no longer need a bunch of debtslaves. Get the population down to 263 million or so. Predominantly white again, affordable, etc.
Everything becomes more expensive
Heh, at least its circulating within our borders
However also a lot of world economies rely on americans being subhuman and talking about their 50,000 dollar car loan and their 50,000 in student loans and 60,000 in credit card debt serviced by their two jobs working 79 hours a week (one job is part time) making 72k a year with their partner (not hsuband because that's like chuddy or something plus the system actively discourages family creation and wealth creation by making marriage a really bad investment).
Since we are getting bled dry of real wealth
Is the literal opposite. You receive real products from the world, and pay for them with fresh printed paper.
they are filling the gaps with state debt spending
Most of the US spending is to pay boomer welfare and wage wars around the globe. It has nothing to do with manufacturing.
Best post on Anon Babble. Saved.
This is precisely why there’s so much (((kvetching))).
Things get a bit more expensive, but then also wages rise, welfare spending drops, self sufficiency skyrockets, cohesive national identity is re realized rather than this cosmopolitan gunk we find outselves in. The benefits are major and all encompassing.
In the era of highly efficient machine and computer driven manufacturing it makes even less sense to have foreign slaves suck in the work and more sense to have native American technicians doing it at scale
I saw the most surreal thing on xitter back in early April when the tariffs were dropping. Every single Jew on my timeline, and I mean every single one no matter their political orientation, even the ones that had otherwise pitched themselves as "based nationalists" ALL got mad about it. ALL OF THEM. The singular uniting issue that 100% of Jews are on board with is global free trade no matter whether they are otherwise a "socialist" or a "capitalist."
gommunism will somehow work THIS time!
Capitalism is trade. Full stop. Anybody using the term "capitalism" is doing so because it was coined as a pejorative to attempt to equate success with corruption, and can be summarily ignored. Even good faith debaters can fall into this trap, but are not corresponding with a full information set. Do not fall for the tricks
Inflation
We have already had that, in the grossest era of free trade maximalism ever. So you don't get to claim it as a "benefit."
I'm not claiming it as anything. I'm just adding a thing you didn't mention. A thing that nobody has mentioned so far. It's interesting how nobody has mentioned it. I wonder what effect on inflation all this will have.
You say things get a bit more expensive but you don't like to use the word inflation. I find that interesting. Propaganda language is interesting.
I wonder how the latest media tariffs fits within the vision of a self contained system? The last time I checked the USA wasn't a particularly large consumer of world media.
Of course people have mentioned it. Kikes haven't stopped talking about how it's going to raise prices for products. It's the #1 thing mentioned. As if our products haven't already soared in price in the past 10 years.
I was the first person in this thread to use the word inflation.
Damn that forked tongue is really flicking now? It actually does not determinantly increase costs. Because hypothetically, production can grow domestically to match demand and return to equilibrium. e.g.
shirts are $15 in US
some are made in US, most are made in China
shirts get tariffed 50% from China
shirts are now $20 in US, creating new profitability point
new factories/machines founded domestically to capture this profit
shirt cost gets driven back down to $16
It's a dynamic. There is a profit margin that is being toyed with and it will get naturally addressed any which way.
Again, it's still silly to try to cry about inflation when your debt driven free trade globohomo system has created just as much inflation, along with the job losses and spiraling state spending and general socioeconomic malaise.
Because it isn't a novel point or word, it's been harped on about for 5 years now. Interestingly enough these tariff announcements have been met with deflation, not inflation, according to the current truflation index.
Henry Ford
It's crazy how right these guys were. The fundamental difference between a white and a Jew is that one needs some kind of satisfaction in their work, the belief that they're doing or creating something real, while the other is merely satisfied with coins clinking into their account. Doesn't matter what it is. There is a real ethical and moral gap.
When we say "it doesn't matter that the GDP is going up on paper if debt is rising and unemployment/underemployment is rising and real wages are stagnating" they simply don't get it because they don't care or process the underlying, they only see the figure. They get rich as temporary moneychangers but obviously can't sustain a long term economy that doesn't collapse on itself.
Inflation is monetary expansion, dumdum
Insightful post
"Number go up" has been the standard since 1913 and we experienced a very short lived genuine period of growth (1920s), followed by the first credit hangover (depression) and then multiple decades of a false veneer "growth," as we sold out our culture and our souls for shiny plastic baubles
I am amazed somebody is attempting to right the ship before we hit a hard default and are forced into another "credit reset" war, like so many times before. I'm simultaneously unsurprised the actors stirring for that fiat fueled fiasco are so vehemently frothing at the mouth to stay on target
Trump is a very flawed man, but he should have the support of anybody with the basest knowledge or intuition of how scarce markets must operate.
most products made and sold within US, money/wealth stays internal to be recycled in economy
what you american retards don't understand is you won't be able to manufacture those products for decades in your own turf.
what trump doing right now will cause sky high corruption at your borders and will increase the smuggling because in 2 years non of you faggots will care about "american made" bullshit which your (((president))) have been feeding you with.
you will see people selling smuggled, cheaper products in the corners of your india-tier shithole streets
remind me in 2 years.
What a neat idea, all the wealthiest countries MUST do this?
Nothing says Jewish like the name Adam Smith...
new factories/machines founded domestically to capture this profit
No one is going to pay for new factories in the US when Trump changes his tariff policies every five seconds... And all of these changes happen before any of the supposedly 'hundreds of deals' he is working out with everyone... So there is only yet more uncertainty with how things will be going forward.
They wouldn't make those investments even if he wasn't retarded, they would just wait four years for everyone to vote his ilk out because their consumerist garbage went from in price. Hell look at his approval ratings of late... He went down like 20 points and the inflation and shortages haven't even started yet.
Debt is a trick; the plan was always bankruptcy & telling creditors to fuck off.
More inefficient production, somehow we are wealthier...
It doesn't work like that. You sound both uneducated and poor.
Nvidia needs Rubin to keep their dominance, but that has to go through TSMC Taiwan, subject to ambiguous tariffs. If Nvidia can no longer tap into the latest generation of lithography without huge tariff markups, then that's all China needs to close that 3 - 4 year gap. It'll go *poof*. China doesn't even need to be exatly equal, they just need to be able to undercut Nvidia.
This is why the tariffs are so fucking stupid without ensuring the US has domestic supply chains in place before we hamstring or cut-off our existing supply chains. It's complete idiocy, but that's what one should expect from the current administration. The government should be propping up and doing everything in their power to get Intel online with competitive lithography nodes, so there's a domestic supplier. Even better would be if we could have two cutting edge lithography companies in the US, so that there's at least some competition. Of course that makes too much fucking sense.
China is about to win the AI war, and the consequences will never be the same.
Trump is something of a miracle. It's proven by how impossible it is to elect someone similar in the rest of the west. We would be on the exact same course as Canada right now otherwise.
All you are doing is highlighting how much of a weakness it is to have constant regime change and turmoil as a superpower. We can't have cohesive long term plans because the next guy shreds it up for the short term rent seeking instead.
This is why he started it so aggressively within his first 2 months, to get the pain and headache out of the way in the first 2 years, start to see gains in the 3rd/4th, and maybe set the stage for a sympathetic successor in Vance/DeSantis in 2028. If nothing else it is important for us to remember that the only real economy is your ability to produce and create things and if you lose all of that ability you are at the mercy of those who can.
exact same course as Canada
Healthier, more educated, live longer, whiter, with the median citizen having more wealth?
You really are a poltarded nigga who felt dumb in high-school and chose vatnik brainwashing and indoctrination to feel smart.
Imagine talking GDP when you can't even define how it's calculated, LOL!
Does "education" buy a house, Canuck? Does it put food on the table? If "education" got you here, of what use was it? You have no fucking clue how doomed your country is. You are speedrunning all of the worst elements possible.
more chink dicksucking
Found the chinaman.
Healthier, live longer, whiter, with the median citizen having more wealth?
I mean my economics education from a top school bought me a house and made me a millionaire in my 30s so...
Still, it's funny you didn't adress any of the other points like the average Joe having more wealth, whiteness, health, and longevity isn't huge.
Yeah that's why all the wealthy canadians stay in canada. Oh wait.
That is some atrocious reading comprehension even by Anon Babble standards. You MUST be ESL, or a giant retard. Probably both, kek.
None of that is true though. Go ahead and start posting some of that data to back it up. You will be 50% jeet in like 20 years lmfao.
I'm a Jewish oligarch state filled with dumb fucks who simp for a billionaire with 100% Jewish grandkids.
Haha, the absolute state of you retards. Of course rich people move to the US, we care about our 50%, you care about you 0.1%
I pointedly didnt say income you illiterate retard. Everything I said was true.
Lmfao
I WAS JUST PLAYING SEMANTICS GAMES OK
you literally said "we have better health" like that isn't the most pathetic cope ever
Pottery
You give your "50%" literal 1 million dollar homes to choose from you jeet retard. Your hospitals now have months and years long wait lists. Kids can no longer find entry level jobs. You are so horribly fucking terrible to your "bottom 50%" you now have states ruminating secession to get out of the sinking ship.
No goyim WE NEED CHILD SLAVE LABOR IT PLEASES OUR LORD AND MASTER SATAN DONT YOU GET IT GOY
Healthier, HAPPIER more educated, live longer, whiter, with the median citizen having more wealth. I forgot happier too.
Why didn’t you show the first two years of Biden’s presidency? Oh it’s because you’re a dishonest kike? I know.
you forgot the part where we have an infinite money glitch called the federal reserve
trump barely talking about factory jobs anymore
if you thought widespread re-shoring was ever happening you are genuinely <65 IQ. it will happen and it will be limited to high tech, high margin industries. no, building eyefoams isn't high tech -- which is why they're moving those factories to india.
Not infinite, we just get progressively poorer and serf like due to the mounting interest payments. "Infinite" in the sense that it's abstract and hard for your monkey brain to feel without strong intuition and a look at the numbers over time.
dollars leave the country
real goods enter
how is this bad again?
Not quite as good as having both a real good, and the money, kept internally. Not even getting into the drastic consequences of offshoring service work with nothing tangible to show for the billions and trillions leaving the country.
Money isn't real, retard. Why the fuck would we want more of something that we literally own the printers for?
Of course it is real, it is the abstraction of wealth, resources. It's worth depends on trust and faith in this shared medium for transferring it. Your perspective, that it is fake and gay, is precisely why it dies and then we are left with a depression tier low trust economy. This is why they do things like decouple it from a gold standard, to turn it from something real to something fake and gay. But it has serious utility and that's why we must protect it from the cynical and kiked.
categorically every country on this map with low tariffs is wealthy and safe
i want to live in a country like somalia or brazil with high tariffs
ok, then go to the utopias of somilia or brazil, retard
Oh, so you have schizophrenia.
Look at how hard these hylics are attempting to dissuade you from simply observing the mechanics of simple trade. Regardless of how vocal and vitriolic their venality, anybody who has spent any time lurking on Anon Babble knows we've all spoken at length about how correct you are
these >people are willfully outing themselves as new, or worse, unsalvageable