They're not a dictatorship like China and they'll have elections in less than 2 years and house republicans (as dumb as they are like all right wingers) don't want to lose their seats to appease the obese orange nutcasep
Mutts will blink first
Doubt it. Thankfully, we get to find out.
There's a difference between US leverage and Trump admin leverage. The administration has way less leverage than the US as a cohesive whole.
I agree
the US can't function as a cohesive whole anymore, that's kinda the problem
also this graph is retarded and way overestimates the leverage the US has
china is not dependent on trade with the US
China is top right and US is bottom left
China's main economy relies on exports to the US, not even services. They have less negotiation power than the US overall.
Where else is nike going to sell 300 pair of sneakers at the mall and have people frothing over 1500 iphones?
Even the EU is not a competitive market. If somehow china can get Africa as a whole to replace the market then they absolutely have no leverage against the US.
Remember that it was the US who bailed out europe during and after ww2. How is china able to replace the US as a consumer?
Both are basically lock step and perpetually rely on each other, America less so.
China's main economy relies on exports to the US
wrong
a simple google search shows this to be untrue
The Chinese Yuan requires devaluation to be competitive in an export market. Most of their profits and revenue goes up stream to the CCP rather than the actual individual businesses. Even so to do business in china it requires you to be in a partnership where they own 51% of your joint company.
It's a hollow economy that ironically benefits the CCP rather than it's people.
What do the anti-trump crowd that are new to Anon Babble think about decentralized oracle networks?
this is just empty boomer tier anti-CCP schlock
Yeah, which is why Drumpf started exempting 1/3rd of the US import from China within 4 days. Sounds like he has all the cards, am I right?
Where else in the world are you gonna convince niggers to buy 300 dollar nikes at the mall?
Trump folded KWAB
the new crowd to Anon Babble are the retards from Anon Babble who keep defending trump and his stupid shit
making chips is actually a very specific process that can only be done up to the 2nm process from TMSC. Samsung is stuck on their 4nm process while intel has been forced to their 12nm+
you cant just overnight replace chip manufacturing and expect a realistic outcome. Even samsung is struggling to make competitive chips against Taiwan
wccftech.com
techspot.com
please do some research, even samsung cant get better than 20% yields on their 1.4nm chips
OK, what do you think about oracles?
PERCEIVED negotiation leverage
fixed that for you, OP
Until recently, China required foreign automobile companies to form joint ventures (JVs) in exchange for market access. Foreign ownership in these JVs was capped at 50%
article was written in 2024
Now include the entire EU bloc, retard. It's always easy to skew statistics when the US has at least 6 times as many people as single EU countries
China used the surplusses to accumulate treasuries and other investments. What does the US have except debt and spoiled fatties?
Now include the entire EU bloc
Lmao omg this is so much cope. EU is full of nothing but a bunch of poorfag brokies. You guys can't afford to buy shit after you pay +50% taxes on your low ass wages. The Eurozone is not a serious economy, I'd sooner rather do business in Mexico.
If we can't buy anything, how come our exports with China be so large? It still amazes me how mutts can't even do basic logical reasoning
America can't function without China's inputs, China can deal with slower economic growth. Xi knows this and called trumptards' bluff
Meanwhile Trump cries about the trade deficits with europe and about how the EU was supposedly created to fuck America over
China's main economy relies on exports to the US
Exports to the US are 15% of China's total exports and 3% of China's GDP. That is not what I would call "reliant". Furthermore, many of the goods are exempt from tariffs and many others will simply switch places with goods made in third countries which are not currently being sold to the US
Im actually going through various links and sources while boiling it down to what defines the "eu block". It's hard to compare the confederate states of europe as a consistent supply.
My source I am using is from 2021
China belongs on the bottom left and the US on upper right.
how come our exports with China be so large?
Large relative to who, ESLtard? Certainly not the US or American consumer.
migatard living in delusion
as usual
Yes if americans can endure the pain of carrying 300 kilos around at all times, they can endure anything
United States
2022 Exports: $582.8 billion (16.22% of China’s total exports)
European Union (Confederate states of Europe)
2022 Exports: ~$460 billion (sum of individual EU countries in 2022 data)
Top EU Importers:
Netherlands: $117.7 billion (3.28%)
Germany: $116.2 billion (3.23%)
France, Italy, Spain: Combined ~$138.8 billion (3.6~%)
Sources
wits.worldbank.org
worldpopulationreview.com
ec.europa.eu
euronews.com
all based on 2021 data
Half of the non-US exports in that list still end up in the US through intermediaries who are also tariffed. The refusal to concede any manufacturing means the CCP wants to position itself as a military hegemon even at the cost of their middle class. They don't want le multipolar world, they want to dominate like the US used to.
Holy Reddit
completely wrong. china's middle class is thriving and going nowhere, and china has not shown any world military power ambitions. they can barely handle the south china sea as is.
Here's your "european block" in terms of exports
There is no reason to devalue the currency at the cost of the middle class or sperg about tariffs so hard unless you prioritize military dominance over the middle class. It's completely reasonable for the US to want to bring some manufacturing back after years of subsidizing the growth of Chinese manufacturing. The only reason to oppose it to this degree is to cripple them as a military rival. Either this is their actual position or they want to seem like it is for leverage during negotiations.
They have annexed more territory than any other large power since WW2 and now effectively rule a large chunk of Africa.
Yeah because Europe is an indivisible block of cooperating countries that won't fracture at the slightest hint of pressure.
Yup, Europeans can't even point to where Burkina Faso is
Even when it comes to the EU a significant portion of its Chinese imports end up as finished products for export into the US.
I can definitely see South America replacing Europe as it's largest export market.
They aren't trying to outdo the US to dominate the world. They're trying to protect their country from splitting further. The US is the one trying to divide their country. Their middle class can take a little pain if it means reunification.
But all this has nothing to do with Anon Babble.
The problem is specifically that outsourcing jobs is a bad idea and mass immigration are bad ideas but subhuman retards who benefit from those things are shitting up Anon Babble because they can't accept they are the bad guys in this situation.
Isn't the point of communism is a revolutionary change that affects all corners of the earth?
If you value the prosperity of the middle class more than manufacturing dominance itself as a goal then you wouldn't keep suppressing their purchasing power. You would want to encourage anything lifting them up to be the end product consumers with high purchasing power instead of the US.
The Fall of the Qing Dynasty only led to the rise of the CCP. Both Germany and Russia actively intervened after the boxer rebellion.
You'll be hard pressed to convince anyone to ignore the parallels of their modern government to it's territorial Qing governance and literal communist approach for control.
The Qing Dynasty ruled on fear and taking land.
South America doesn't really have anything they want. Russia, Iran and Africa do. They only want dollars from the US as long as the US has a dominant military which they won't have without manufacturing.
This entire thread has nothing to do with Anon Babble, it’s just mentally-ill freaks and Europoors unironically calling Trump “drumpf”
No, their flavor of Communism is different. It's Communism with Chinese Characteristics, which prioritises national interest and economic development over spreading Communism, which is a Trotskyite idea anyway.
It wouldn't work until the US keeps trying to undermine development and backing a secessionist island. The US needs to be out of the picture to actually focus on the transition. You can read their decadal plans to understand their thinking better.
And high purchasing power isn't really needed if you're self-sufficient, which is what their ultimate aim is.
drumpf
This but unironically
They aren't self-sufficient unless the locals have enough purchasing power to consume the local output. Until then they're dependent on foreign capital. They can never be fully independent because they don't have oil.
It's easier to make deals in South America and their people generally have more capital that isn't being taxed at 50%.
I see what you're saying but what I'm implying is that South America in general has a bigger market if they can weed out the corruption and keep expanding.
Europe literally has no more room to expand their economy.
t. 1960s brazil
They aren't self-sufficient yet. But you're ignoring the fact that they're still aiming for Communism, where purchasing power doesn't exist.
And why do you think they are pushing for alternative energy sources?
That's why they've been moving heavily into electrification and building/researching nuclear power, to reduce their dependence on oil and coal.
no, that's the jewish idea of international communism
countries these days only care about the ideology on a national level
Where else is nike going to sell 300 pair of sneakers at the mall and have people frothing over 1500 iphones?
Of that money only a small part is going to China and most of it is going to the brands.
yeah that guy is a fuckin retard he thinks china is making bank on iphones? lol
Where else is nike going to sell 300 pair of sneakers at the mall and have people frothing over 1500 iphones?
Bad example, its not like only americans can afford a pair of sneakers
where purchasing power doesn't exist.
The output has to be distributed through some mechanism and you have to be able to get input like physical resources. You get social credit or whatever for mining and spend that social credit on consumer goods, congrats you invented money.
Reduced dependence is not enough to be competitive in output or warfare. Oil in the ground is a free advantage against anyone who has to synthesize replacements, even using large scale hydro and nuclear energy. They have coal but coal or battery tractors / warjets suck.
Most Nike profits go to American owners retard, that live in the USA
America has the largest lithium deposits
dailygalaxy.com
forbes.com
en.wikipedia.org
America is the second top producer of wood
helgilibrary.com
America has the largest coal reserves
elements.visualcapitalist.com
Oil? no sources needed
What leverage does China exactly have?
They need USD to conduct trade internaionally o algo asi
they can simply tell the US to fuck off and then the US economy is FUCKED
you're clearly not reading the thread or refuse to take in this information
Imagine having these resources and still running huge deficits
What leverage does China exactly have?
They can trade their sneakers and phones for natural resources instead of worthless treasuries.
You've said nothing of substance other than
migtard
China has a middle class
fuck off
jewish scam
I don't get what you're even arguing and I feel like you're thinking very short-term. I already told you they will focus on their "middle class" (which a Capitalist idea anyways) after they have dealt with the US. Purchasing power isn't an immediate issue for them and can be sorted when the country isn't being divided. Also, Communism is inherently about a post-scarcity (self-sufficient) society, where social credits or money won't exist.
Oil is limited. They are researching fission tech. Again, I think you're thinking very short-term.
Why is outsourcing a jobs a bad thing?
shit, Trump is already starting to back down, he's making exceptions to tariffs pretty much every day
Imagine having these resources and still running huge deficits
You can't be the reserve currency without it. The US decided in the 70s that this was worth it and it was hard to argue against it since seemed like free money. You get to consume without producing anything but if you don't produce anything everything and everyone degrades, industries and skills are lost until you can no longer back up your position as the reserve currency.
Largest deposits
Yes yes very nice, now mine them with current labor costs and not fucking up the entire regions environment and dumping lead into rivers.
Oh, you can't? Too bad.
Environmental regulations are getting cut, so that's a big piece.
You're not thinking at all.
Communism is inherently about a post-scarcity (self-sufficient) society, where social credits or money won't exist
This doesn't mean anything, it's an abstract utopian ideal to you're using to justify completely abandoning all thought or planning. "My utopia will just happen, because I say so".
subsites.chinadaily.com.cn
china-briefing.com
Article 4 – “The parties to the venture shall share the profits, risks and losses in proportion to their contributions to the registered capital.”
Instead, foreign companies often form joint ventures with Chinese state-owned enterprises (SOEs) or private Chinese companies, which may be owned or controlled by the government.
America is the second top producer of wood
helgilibrary.com
Turbo kek
Tell me why they have to prioritise their middle class over national sovereignty. What's wrong with delaying it until the US is out of the way?
And I meant fusion, not fission. Sorry for that.
I don't think many people understand the persistence of the Chinaman. At some point the government decided they need more iron, so everyone gave to the government everything they had at home with iron to create terrible iron they called "pig iron" that was absolute shit quality and was not usable. Then there was the sparrow that Mao decided was ruining the crops, they exterminated it. As a result, insect populations exploded, ruined the crops tenfold, and ended up with an insane famie. There's more stories like this, my point being they can endure a lot and will listen government almost blindly.
China is not americas rival.
Large scale modern industrial mining doesn't need many employees or large scale mismanagement of waste. Even China has done a lot to clean up their rivers and air and restored deserts.
I didn't say they have to, I said they're demonstrating they want "the US out of the way", they want to assert dominance and cripple the US more than they want economic prosperity for their actual people. They're demonstrating they don't want the "multipolar world order", they want to be the new pole.
There's a power backing a secessionist movement in their country. The power needs to be taken down.
They aren't aiming to be the new pole. The pole needs to be taken down for there to be multiple poles.
All of the democracies of the world are floundering economically
Dictatorships are economically thriving
I said they're demonstrating they want "the US out of the way"
yeah so does every country now lol
people are sick of this shit
Giving the people bread and circuses in the form of consumer goods is a well established stabilizing force. Military build up is destabilizing.
The US itself is looking to scale back its reserve status which directly leads to a peaceful transition to this "multipolar world" where Chinese currency among others is in higher demand for trade and reserves. This should be celebrated by China and they should encourage their own people to consume some of the output lost from manufacturing returning to the US, not fight this development and undermine Chinese purchasing power.
How will giving bread and circus get rid of the power backing the secessionists? And it's not like they aren't trying that. The power/island keeps telling everyone how the CCP is "destabilizing" them with propaganda.
Found the chink.
lose 15% of your economy while rival nation gets back that 2 trillion
"china strong tho"
BRICs is also a big contendor with using bitcoin as their reserve currency. NATO has encroached on the russian empire for decades. Its astonishing that people are suprised russia acted this way after being denied NATO membership from what i remember
Also
The US itself is looking to scale back its reserve status
No, it isn't. It still wants to be the reserve.
It wants to have the cake and eat it too.
t. eastern european nation that only exists because of the US
I know you're from some shithole like lithuania or jewkraine, russians are literally friendlier to the US than your dump. Total russian annexation of eastern european butthurt cunts.
whoa good thing you made this insightful and helpful second post otherwise we could call you a 1pbtid shill retard
BRICs is also a big contendo
jesus fuck you are all chinese and russians lmao.
BRIC can't even get ambassadors into the same room on time lol
Even the Trump admin can't function as a cohesive unit. The fractures are already starting to show. His first cabinet completely imploded so I guess it's par for the course.
ALL ARGUEMENTS IN THIS THREAD PRO AMERICA OR PRO CHINA ARE WRONG!
The droids will be making the Iphones in the US factories. They are the winners.
It won't but it will make people more content which discourages civil war. Provoking a war now is feeding into the problem of secessionists. Even with increased manufacturing in the US China should still outpace them and keep developing better tech. If they provoke a war now the US and their ally Taiwan have a better chance than in a decade or two, even with a renewed US manufacturing base but ultimately even then they should still hope for negotiations over war with a nuclear power, they would just have more leverage.
Reducing the deficit is inherently scaling back their reserve status. Without it countries don't have dollars. Countries have easier access to the currency of the country they export to.
I said BRICs is a contendor. It would be naive to dismiss Russia and China teaming up. But its just like the EU with its confederacy, ultimately fragile.
What Americans are going to work in a sweatshop for 15 cents an hour?
in addition to europe, the rest of asia, africa, south america and australia, china also has its osn domestic market. us tarriffs will hurt some sectors but its far from a mortal wound to chinas economic growth
forcing niggers into sweatshops at 7.25 an hour and cutting their EBT benefits if they dont
Hey look found your solution
Americans yearn for the mines
7.25 an hour isn't competitive
bates footwear
We already blinked because tariffs don’t apply to electronics lmfao
Its cause TSMC is the only country that can produce chips at 2nm. Samsung and intel has struggled.
Its going to be atleast a decade before we become competitive to even think about tariffing electronics
Tesla manages to employ burgers. Everywhere things will shift to more automation with more desirable and fewer manufacturing jobs.
It will also give a real option to enable UBI
Sure. You're still going to lose.
Token not needed
Oracles arent going to accept yuan or bitcoin as payment
Too much comfort and contentment leads to decay. I don't want UBI, I want local basic necessities. If you're a bum you can work a few hours a week on the local farms for housing, milk, eggs, bread and butter. Ban factory farms because they're ugly.
Those who dont work shall not eat
The rest of the world is dependent on America, America doesn’t give a shit about the rest of the world.
We need to return to being an isolationist country like Japan, as the Federal Papers originally described.
politics is le real
Grow up, faggots