/smg/ - Stock Market General

I wanna breed whatever this is, handholding french kissing and creampies

Because he wants us to remove VAT so EU goods will be on a worse playing field than US ones (even though VAT applies to all goods sold in the EU regardless of domestic or foreign origin)
Yea Trump is just trying to run a protection racket, the deal was just an offramp to check how serious he is and if he's trying to run an extortion racket or not.

remove VAT

kek

The entire point of paying astronomical vat here is to pay for boomer retirement, its never being removed. Stock up on puts

Is there any indication of how the tariffs will be implemented? I have read the executive order, but there is no mention of when and how.

Ready to get some cheapies

9 april for usa and 12 for china

Implying this shit show is about fair trade in the first place

America can't compete and wants to make the world pay for it

hopes and dreams and a single customs agent processing 1 trillion packages a day

10 for China (the 34% retaliatory tariff). Not clear when China will match the additional 50%

VAT is mostly for general government things like roads, education, defense, etc. Retirement and healthcare come from the social security tax.

also this

“If China does not withdraw its 34% increase above their already long term trading abuses by tomorrow, April 8th, 2025, the United States will impose ADDITIONAL Tariffs on China of 50%, e

green

It's not gonna last is it?

market can stay irrational longer than you can stay solvent

nope lol it’s astonishing people are dumb enough to be buying right now
tomorrow is going to be a bloodbath

One of you nerds tell me if this makes sense.

people love to project their copes on politicians

"Flight into treasury bonds" didn't materialize because market dumped and 10Y treasury yields are now higher than pre-tariff (very bad). Whether it's due to China selling or coordinated selling we don't know.

why the FUCK didn’t I sell during the mini pump just before american liberation day last week? it was the most obvious thing in the world what was coming

Normies didn't think Trump would actually add tariffs lol

The first big test will be Wednesday open.
Everything so far has just been vibes-based trading when it comes to the tariffs.
On Wednesday however, the vibes will give way to reality as the tariffs come into full effect.

But the Yuan is down now, so I guess we'll see what happens.

I don't understand what he's saying.
Bessent sounds like a retard though the dollar is getting weaker

I don't know what he wants anymore, at first i thought the tariffs were going to be removed once everyone agreed to remove theirs. Only bad news today, it will reflect on the market so pull out while you can

I thought hed do like a 5% flat tariff on everyone and the market would return to normal so I also didnt sell.
That said if I bought spy puts at that time id be a milionaire

lolz

That's sadly not how the US markets work, The shittier the news the bigger the pump because everyone loads up on short and puts and the MM's simply can't resist the temptation knowing there won't be any consequences for market manipulation.

Uh oh

Zero tariff doesn't really matter as the EU's regulations are much higher than the United States, still posing a significant trade block with the EU.

buy our shitty chicken or pay up

We saw that yesterday with the ""rumour""

buy our shitty chicken or pay up

VAT rebate manipulation is something you could change but choose not to

I think 6% would be more effective.

Funny thing: Trump threatened 100% tariff on China if it moves on Taiwan.
US tariff on China is at 104% now so there's no reason for China not to move on Taiwan now.

Yes, pick one. It doesn't really matter which.

Are we just huffing hopium until tariffs go into effect tomorrow?

He will not do it

read the first reply to you for the copium

VAT rebate manipulation

As a european I would not mind the added economic struggle if it meant giving the middle finger to the US and responding with tariffs to US exports and digital services. Fuck those gangsters.

People have realized that Trump is more rational than investors who moved a trillion dollars off of a fake tweet so Wall St isn't allowed to drive anymore narratives

people have realized trump saw multiple laserpointers on his face when he woke up*

i bought weekly puts

If VAT applies equally to everything in the EU including domestic goods, what good is removing it but to please people who extort you?

>buy our shitty chicken or pay up

Unironically, yes
That's free trade and free markets. Let the people decide
If the people of europe really do agree with these regulations democratically, then they won't buy american chicken. Simple as.
Now if they actually DO buy american chicken, or even prefer it, then doesn't that kinda mean that the EU regulations aren't in keeping with democracy and what their people actually want?
You can't have it both ways. you can't screech about free trade, and then block your people from choosing goods or services
So yes, open up your markets and if the eurofags really believe in what their governments are doing with respect to regulations that keep out american goods, then they'll just buy european products and the american shit won't sell. Simple as

All depends on what has been priced in already. If lots were expecting a last minute save, it could be a bloodbath.

implement global 100% tariffs

So why are you putting up tariffs on the entire world? Let the american consumer decide

You can't let people decide some things, because the people are retarded. You have to protect them from themselves. This is the task of a strong government. If there were no regulations against asbestos people would still be using it.

The Pound was over-valued for a long time, it didn't take much to devalue it and it largely went back to normal anyway. There aren't any lessons to take from it.

"right wing" "republicans" arguing for a stronger government

If Americans actually believed this you would have completely de-regulated medicine so anyone could practice as a doctor regardless of their level of training.

hey, if the PEOPLE actually do agree with the regulations on medicine, they just won't go to the fake doctors claiming to have all the same credentials.
Right?

Fucking burgertards I swear, you niggers don't understand democracy or free trade at all.

They are really betting on some last minute change to policy that probably isn't going to happen.

So why are you putting up tariffs on the entire world? Let the american consumer decide

Because of the trade imbalance. It's essentially affirmative action to drive towards equal outcomes in trade deficits, to make trade deficits go away.
It's based on an assumption that any difference in outcomes must be caused by a difference in the way the system is set up, and therefore we must be getting "cheated" by the other countries.
I don't agree with that, and I don't think most people are cheating america on trade.
That's not true, and it's because of the global reserve currency status. That's the problem.
But outside of that, china has been cheating us on trade. And everyone else basically, because they are a bunch of liars and thieves. So the tariffs on china actually make sense.

Now if they actually DO buy american chicken, or even prefer it, then doesn't that kinda mean that the EU regulations aren't in keeping with democracy and what their people actually want

The people who decide up top what the EU implements are from national governments chosen democratically
And the EU parliament is decided on voting
EU picks in the commission are not too different from minister picks
People pretending like this isn't democratically chosen are dumb
They could also just push an EU Citizen's initiative and get the EU to consider chlorinated Chicken if they get 1 million signatures. The problem is that nobody wants to buy chlorinated chicken so those 1 million signatures will never happen, thereby disproving the idea that people want it.
Also people are already boycotting the US over plenty of their retardation.

You can't let people decide some things, because the people are retarded. You have to protect them from themselves. This is the task of a strong government. If there were no regulations against asbestos people would still be using it.

Yeah I think that's fair, but then don't pretend you want free market economics. Don't screech about free trade if you are fundamentally not capitalist societies and don't do free trade practices

No people are dumb

I don't think most, even people in the EU would fault anyone for tariffing chinese shit since not doing it destroys jobs internationally.

I can't see American chicken being cheap enough to make shipping it across the Atlantic worthwhile.

Only meat product that comes a long distance here is NZ Lamb and that's because lamb is probably the most expensive "common" meat.

But why are you guys seething so much about our food standards? You complain all the time about big food and yet throw a tantrum when europeans don't want that stuff dumped here

But outside of that, china has been cheating us on trade. And everyone else basically, because they are a bunch of liars and thieves. So the tariffs on china actually make sense.

I don't like China because I think they are a big threat to European manufacturing but the cope of them only being able to win by cheating need to stop when they are already outcompeting by doing better stuff at lower costs thanks to western beancounters' hyper fixation on quarterly returns

this has to be some new level of fell for it again lmao

someone pretending to have credentials they don't actually have would be fraud anyway, which is a felony.
That's a separate issue.
We need to open up other schools, so people can become a doctor and not need 200k in student loans. And maybe the nurse practitioner, or the EMT or whatever is "good enough" for certain things like "hey doc I have a headache" as compared to "hey doc I have cancer"

If Americans actually believed this you would have completely de-regulated medicine so anyone could practice as a doctor regardless of their level of training.

A lot of people HAVE talked about deregulating or at least reducing how medical school works
You seem to think we're in control of our own society, and the way the system works is actually what people want
Everyone knows the system is fucked. Med school costs too much, student debt is insane, doctors are paid way too much, they can get sued for insane amounts of money, so they need malpractice insurance for crazy amounts
the whole system is fucked. It's all funny money, and it's a racket.

hey, if the PEOPLE actually do agree with the regulations on medicine, they just won't go to the fake doctors claiming to have all the same credentials.

Or you have different schools with different standards, and people can choose if they want to get medicine from a doctor who went to some kind of school, no school, or the really fancy school
That would be free market principles applied to doctors licensing
I feel like you've never debated a libertarian? the professional licensing thing is not exactly a rare talking point and I'm not even a libertarian and remembered the comeback for "BUT what about fraud doctors with phony licenses!!! snake oil salesmen!!!"

Free trade doesn't mean no rules. Everything has rules in life, including the economy. You have to play by the rules.

>Now if they actually DO buy american chicken, or even prefer it, then doesn't that kinda mean that the EU regulations aren't in keeping with democracy and what their people actually want

The people who decide up top what the EU implements are from national governments chosen democratically

And the EU parliament is decided on voting

EU picks in the commission are not too different from minister picks

People pretending like this isn't democratically chosen are dumb

oh I'm not saying it wasn't chosen democratically
I'm just saying it's a total contradiction to say eurofags are all free market and don't have trade barriers, even when they won't let american chicken or whatever else in... and just let the people decide
That is literally the defintion of laissez faire capitalism.
Let people decide. And if the european people really do agree with those regulations, then they won't buy american chicken.
This really is just that simple.

No people are dumb

Yeah, I agree. And honestly I appreciate how blunt you are about it. You're not dressing it up in any moral claptrap.
but then don't screech about free trade if you aren't doing capitalism yourself.
Just admit you're a socialist and it's fine. Then whatever

Source: China Poised to Unveil Six Major Countermeasures in Response to U.S. Tariff Threats

Niutanqin,aWeChataccountaffiliatedwithstatenewsagencyXinhua: According to sources, >China has prepared at least six major countermeasures against U.S. Tariffs:

1. Significant tariff increases on U.S. agricultural products such as basedbeans and sorghum.

2. Banning import of U.S. poultry into China.

3. Suspending Sino-U.S. cooperation on fentanyl-related issues.

4. Countermeasures in the service trade sector.

5. Banning the import of U.S. films into China.

6. Investigating the intellectual property benefits of U.S. companies operating in China (mktnews.com)

5 could be big, although chinks do have a lot of clones of US services don´t they? Looks like a cuck too me though.

Monday is going to be catastrophic

No I meant Tuesday

n-no I meant Wednesday yeah haha

Bobo why are you like this?

ven when they won't let american chicken or whatever else in... and just let the people decide

The EU allows citizens to push shit like this with a citizen's initiative but nobody's doing it. Speaks more than enough to me.

I can't see American chicken being cheap enough to make shipping it across the Atlantic worthwhile.

Only meat product that comes a long distance here is NZ Lamb and that's because lamb is probably the most expensive "common" meat.

.... Okay, then fine, but then it won't sell
So then why regulate it out of existence?
If it won't be profitable then there's no reason to put trade barriers against it.
Again, let the people decide. If this really is about capitalism and free trade then europe needs to open up, and let their own people decide if they want to buy shit or not.
That's how free markets work.

Free trade doesn't require laissez faire cspitalism. It just means what it says on the tin: there is no distinction made on foreign goods as local goods. It doesn't mean that there are no rules on goods, though, local or foreign.

Honestly, I would be fine if we had less weird stuff put in our food but that's not the reason the EU doesn't let us sell there. There is no European country that has farmers that are as productive as like one medium sized American midwest state, and so they don't want those farmers to get put out of business by us. So, it's protectionism, which is fine, but we're going to do that too.

depends how she sees you
you won't

Because all the big supermarket chains switch to chicken half a euro cheaper for them and then you can either buy chlorinated chicken, normal chicken that now is suddenly more expensive or no chicken

But why are you guys seething so much about our food standards? You complain all the time about big food and yet throw a tantrum when europeans don't want that stuff dumped here

Oh, I agree.
The problem is that it's kinda silly for europeans to pretend they aren't getting in the way of free trade or free markets, and have no trade barriers.... when they clearly have trade barriers for let's say chicken.
That is a trade barrier.
If eurofags want to handicap their own industries and have higher regulations, that's totally fine. Great. That's totally great.
And if the american cars or chicken or whatever enters the market, and europeans buy that instead, then that kinda proves the regulations were anti-democratic, then doesn't it?
Europe needs to open up its markets and stop being just socialist fags, then whining about free trade when it suits them.

I don't like China because I think they are a big threat to European manufacturing but the cope of them only being able to win by cheating need to stop

I don't know if they can only win by cheating, but they have been doing a LOT of cheating. Stealing, lying, cons, scams, etc
They get away with because their shit is cheap, but they are some scummy fuckwads
The other countries honestly aren't so bad. Canada is not cheating us on trade. that's ridiculous

So then why regulate it out of existence

Because the EU (including politicians) doesn't want to eat chlorinated chicken, so they prevent their own farmers from devolving into the same shit. The EU even allows lobbying (not bribery-lobbhing, just regular lobbying) and farmers have a lot of weight in the EU, despite this easy unhealthy way to go, nobody's managed to push this crap.
Everyone in the EU from top to bottom aside from a few farmers who don't outweigh the rest don't want chlorinated chicken.

sex with everyone on this pic

sex with dogs

I’m a socialist definetly by US standards

Yeah because they pump them with steroids, hormones and others shit. You can eat those mutant hens yourselves

Then why are you in this thread?
You people are just as retarded as Trump.

5. Banning the import of U.S. films into China

wtf i want to live in china now

Yeah this is nothing.

Again, laissez faire is not free trade. You are very mistaken. Europe has free trade with many countries, because foreign products are not discriminated on the basis of being foreign. Rules apply to ALL products the same.

Free trade doesn't mean no rules. Everything has rules in life, including the economy. You have to play by the rules.

No, it really doesn't. Rules are the opposite of freedom. Having rules and restrictions is not freedom, it's the opposite of freedom
Now I'm not advocating for anarcho capitalism or whatever. I agree with you. there do need to be some regulations
But don't then go and do that, and then pretend you have totally unfettered free trade policies. That's not how it works.

Yes it really does. Sorry you don't know basic economy concepts. American education, I guess. See

doesn't want to eat chlorinated chicken

Because all the big supermarket chains switch to chicken half a euro cheaper for them and then you can either buy chlorinated chicken, normal chicken that now is suddenly more expensive or no chicken

To be fair, I think we should probably adopt the same practices, and we'd be on a similar playing field
and then no one would have shitty chicken.
And THEN you guys would have to accept our shit. assuming it meets the same standards you have. and then everyone wins, and no one has the right to complain

They are more productive because they don't have to follow stricter health regulations
You can already sell american cars. I remember 20 years ago the Ford fiesta being everywhere. But now you only produce those retarded trucks that will never sell here because it's physically impossible to drive and, most importantly, park them here
And you can sell food, you just need to respect health regulations. We would've already a FTA a decade ago if you actually wanted to follow those regulations

need to be some regulations

But don't then go and do that, and then pretend you have totally unfettered free trade policies

They apply to everyone with no exception which is free trade. Where is your line between "necessary regulation" and "abusive regulation" exactly? Not wanting weird shit in food seems like common sense.

If the chicken has no shit in it, then I'd be fine with that.

Yes it really does.

Uh, no my dude. I know you maybe don't understand basic logic, but rules and restrictions are not freedom.
If someone restricts or restrains you, that is limiting your freedom. It really is that simple.
Just admit you don't want freedom. That's okay
I want rules too. But I don't pretend I'm a super free market anarcho capitalist

+700 futures
The gift, they fell for it

Again, laissez faire is not free trade. You are very mistaken. Europe has free trade with many countries, because foreign products are not discriminated on the basis of being foreign. Rules apply to ALL products the same.

No, it really is.
You can regulate your own industries as much as you want, and that's fine.
But if europeans would rather buy american, if given the chance, then that means that's what europeans want actually. That's democracy, and that's freedom.
You can't have it both ways. Either you have freedom, or you don't. Either this is what european citizens actually want, or they don't.
And if they prefer to buy american if given the chance, then that's not freedom.
You can try to separate free trade foreign policy from capitalist domestic policy, but they really are intertwined and you can't have one without the other.
If you don't allow other country's goods into your countriy, with ZERO regulations, then you don't actually have free trade. End of story.
Now I'm not saying that's a good idea. I don't believe in zero rules or zero regulations. But those regulations should only apply to eurofag companies.
And again... if europeans ACTUALLY agreed with those regulations they would simply not buy the american product if it was allowed to enter the european market. If that's what they really wanted, and that's what they would really do if given the choice, then there would be no point to regulate it.
They'd just not buy it, of their own accord. No need to regulate.

RFK Jr is going to get all the chemicals out of our food and then we will sell you so many big BEAUTIFUL hens that you will not know what to do with them all

4

US has a huge service trade surplus against China
Consulting, architecture/design, internet hosting, software etc. can all be getting hit

You can already sell american cars. I remember 20 years ago the Ford fiesta being everywhere. But now you only produce those retarded trucks that will never sell here because it's physically impossible to drive and, most importantly, park them here

That's fair. All american car companies suck ass, and only some of our light trucks are good like the ford F150.
Everything else is trash
That's not you cheating us, that's unironically us just making shitty cars
Same thing with japanese cars taking over. They are just better, I'm sorry. toyota and honda just make better cars than ford or chevy.

big pump day glad that crash is behind us

Time to go all in. Surely nothing will happen

so we just keep pumping now

im hoping for four years of a crab market followed by a third term of crab markets

didn´t boughted dip

sidelined for life

brutal

Because I invest in stonks duh

Yes, I conceded to the all mighty green

the markets pumping now is bearish
it means trump will think everyone wants the tariffs and see them as good so he will go full retard ahead

the greatest bear trap in history

So.... the true tariffs hit tomorrow. Wtf is going to happen then?

as the saying goes it's priced in. on top of that it seems to be that reasonable tariffs from future US vs World (barring China probably) negotiations are also being priced in.

Yield chasers,
MAIN
ABR
RITHM
GOF
are all waaaaaay down in the dumps, these firms have little to do with global trade, just recession risk dump.
Thoughts?
I need an extra 1000 per month in income due to my availability to work less overtime than I used to be able to

He's implementing the tariffs, dude. The stocks could be blood red tomorrow and it wouldn't matter.

Y35LD... hmmmm

buy now or too early?

YEILD LONG... hmmmmm

still pumping

This has gone past recovery, do they know something or are they betting on Trump blinking/taking his meds?

What's pumping?
And is it pumping my ass?

lol

We'll remove VAT when he removes sales taxes

i don't trust it yet. they might be letting retail dca morons pump so the big boys can dump from a better position

Buy puts, shorts or even naked shorting. Just short the market.
Trump isn't backing down on his concessions with China and China doesn't want to back down and be humiliated by the US, leading to prolonged periods of uncertainties in the market and volatility remaining high. Unemployment is rising, bankruptcies rising and GDP for Q125 is forecasted to be negative. Earnings for Q1 will be affected by the tariff war, especially consumer defensive companies. Inflation remains persistent with Jerome Powell saying there won't be any rate cuts anytime soon to the odds of a rate cut before June rising above 50% and expectation of 3 rate cuts this year.

my puts expire on friday, they better fucking crash this week

No, they got the phone call saying they have to pump after that embarrassing display with the fake news tweet.

Yeah fuck that shit, I'm stockpilling on GFX cards, HDDd SSDs, RAM sticks and so on.
Good luck all.

one of the worst 3 day runs in stock market history

everyone calling for black money

you should have learned your buy signals by now.

You should all buy the dip. Because then when it goes back up again you'll make money

If there will be another bloodbath happening tomorrow since the tariffs will go into effect, how much will the value of tech companies tank?

they will pump 1.2% because the market is retarded

Good morning boys, market looking sensible today. What the fuck is this burger talking about

Everything's green in my portfolio but it seems non-tech is doing best. That or there's fuckery with the currency markets.

non-tech is doing best

that is the case yes

Can't wait to scoop them up on the cheap. Sorry ameritards, good luck with the inevitable revolution when your wehraboos can't afford their bodypillows anymore.

Dammit

I want to be leaf in this being a V shaped recoooovery but the last 24hr just looks like a massive bear flag

Nigga, they’re gonna pull the rug tomorrow

Day of the Bobo

The economic outlook has only gotten significantly worse since last week. There's no way this lasts

considering all the freefall this two day pump is very modest. if they were serious we could be up 5% now

signs of a bull market frfr

thursday or friday will be a circuit breaker, then im deploying another 20% of my free cash,
Iwent 100% cash in february LOL, i bought yesterday

I'm considering buying some NVDA on the open, my cock is bullish today

that goober theoretician just tries to save face among the other goober theoretician academics

Australian beef is some of the best in the world

American beef is hands down some of the worst

Mutt farmers cry we don’t buy their beef in droves

if Americans disliked the taste and health benefits of mixing formaldehyde into milk to extend the shelf life, they would stop buying it, the regulatory overreach from the 19th century US government should be repealed so that consumers can decide. Not like they’ll be coerced into buying it if it outcompetes unfixed milk dairies

recession CANCELLED

My anti-American sentiment... why, it's not fair...

theres like 500billion cows in the usa, some great beef and some mcdonalds beef, go to rural Iowa and hit up a local steakhouse and you will cum your pants

The annoying part is that stocks are still grossly overvalued. This wasnt the market correction since it's a reaction to trade fear

Gme here. Welcome to swap hell. That was the whipsawing yeaterday, everyone setting up deals.

yesterday you niggers were celebrating a Black Monday and futures were blood red, now it is the opposite

I want it to crash, this is bad news
CRASH TO 400 YOU GAY NIGGERS

today is mumu day

>if Americans disliked the taste and health benefits of mixing formaldehyde into milk to extend the shelf life, they would stop buying it, the regulatory overreach from the 19th century US government should be repealed so that consumers can decide. Not like they’ll be coerced into buying it if it outcompetes unfixed milk dairies

Sounds like someone doesn't like unfettered anarcho capitalism
And that's not okay. How dare you bring your facts and logic into this debate?
Look anyway, the point is, and this seems to be the major stumbling block here, is that such regulations are NOT freedom. Literally no restriction or regulation is freedom. That is the opposite of freedom.
And that's fine.... but don't pretend you are doing unfettered absolutist capitalism. you're not.

a correction like that will never come. we love to say its overvalued but honestly as long as people slurp it up its not

*200

No, your definition of free trade is not the actual definition of free trade. Nobody cares about what you think freedom means, free trade is a technical term with specific connotations.

Black Monday was canceled over some retard tweeting that Trump was walking back the tariffs. Now they have to act like they didn’t pump the market over a fucking tweet with a fake little pump today. It’s all downhill from here.

Whacky Wednesday coming soon.
Until then, we rest in fields of green.

checked. anyway the big players have secured short positions so they can let the US market (and thus everyone else) free fall once tariffs actually happen. It's amazing that the market is just sitting munching on grass nervously while the farmer is slowly walking up to it with a bolt gun saying "you're dead once I get to you you stupid fucking horse. on wednesday I am going to kill you with this gun"

won't happen.

it will pump on wednesday too, on belief he'll suspend tariffs on friday
then on friday they'll say they'll be working on the weekend on deals and it will pump too
on monday it will be back to 580 and then... :3

Oh is this what you guys are arguing about? Okay yeah who gives a fuck either way, please continue sorry to interrupt

bet you 17 big ones it will

No, your definition of free trade is not the actual definition of free trade. Nobody cares about what you think freedom means, free trade is a technical term with specific connotations.

Okay, then I am using the defintion of free trade that means "actually there is no restrictions, and there is absolute freedom with no barriers at all"
"free trade" shouldn't mean "well it's kinda free, but actually there are some restrictions, so it's not really free"
And that's okay. But yeah. It ain't absolute freedom. We should admit that.
there ARE trade barriers. THat's a fucking fact. And people should stop pretending that's free trade. and by "Free trade" I mean actual free trade, not "well it's kinda freedom, but actually with some restrictions so it's not really...."
If that's the case, then that technical term is a weasel word. Very jewish kinda word game you got working there man.

china reciprocates with 34% and the market crashes, trump another 50% and it doesnt budge
was the initial crash pricing in all future tariffs or is it just being held up by hope right now?

All I know is that this is more than a trade war. If China comes out on top, it will be a humiliating defeat.

5 will kill Disney. Remember when they paid journos to accuse China of being racist for not watching the Little Mermaid remake with the ugly black girl? I wonder if this has anything to do with that.

then I am using the defintion of free trade

No, you're using the definition of Laissez-faire, stop trying to twist language.

They are trade barriers

What is the line between "good regulation" and "trade barrier" to you?

the random tweet reversing the entire opening loss salvo strongly suggests that people are incredibly hopeful that this is a bad dream. people are also greedy and want to buy the dip. both these factors will lead to bull traps all the way down imo

Delusion is the better word

you also need to remember that big boy shorters are something else. they can afford to short ath even if it keeps pumping beyond a long time and putting them billions in red. they can sit on that shit for years if necessary while a tiny blip in the wrong direction gets you raped

this, us retail bobos are the true heroes bravely going bankrupt to aid price discovery

What is the line between "good regulation" and "trade barrier" to you?

Same lines as the 13 stripes and 50 stars. Freedom, something something freedom
We're quibbling here.
THere is no difference between a regulation and a trade barrier. If you regulate your own industry, and the other guys too, then guess what you regulated the other guys. If that presents a significant barrier to their trade to you... that is a trade barrier.

And that's nonsense but it does confirm you're just subscribing to Laissez-faire, which will not pass any nation with any interest (not even the US)
So that is an "impossible free trade", a reasonable free trade is closer to the EU's, where everyone is on a level playing field.

regulations apply equally to EU companies so it's not unfair competition, and there is no way in fuck they will lower standards because orange man said so, polls say people want blood, it would be political suicide

I'm seeing a lot of tariff talk but not enough stock discussion in /smg/
Here is a chart of all apparel brand companies relying on the Asian market to produce their goods. If the proposed China tariff war escalates, expect these stocks to devalue over time

tariffs announced

the stock market is going to crash

tariffs implemented

the stock market is fucking doomed black monday holy shit we're all going to be eating leather

tariffs worsened (104% on china)

stock market is up

choice tariffs are tomorrow

ultimately we are somehow almost as retardedly nationalistic as the burgers and will likewise act against out interests, it's just the based euro rootless cosmopolitans who run the show who are trying to defuse everything

clown market
But for real, people are really hoping orang will cuck out of the tariffs just before they are implemented like he did with Mexico and leafs

tariffs go into force tomorrow and people think he will back down (he won't) you dum dum

tariffs aren't implemented till tomorrow

Probably people buying stocks in manufacturing in different places, but it's more like a dead cat bounce.

i meant the flat 10%
that was implemented no?

is there any indication of this besides the literally fake news

Shitaly always so cucked. How is it possible to be number 1 Russia and USA dickrider simultaneously?

the 10% isn't even that unreasonable if that was the only thing
if only the 10% stuck then this would be as much as it would fall because that's priced in fully

no, no tariffs are in yet

I agree retaliating is stupid, tariffs are a tax on burgers not on us, if anything they should remove labor regulations and reduce taxes to make companies more competitive and promote investment is southern and eastern europe to increase consumption in those markets

What should I short? Im about to sell my bullish positions, Im going to buy long dated puts

They're trying to give the burgers an off ramp from retardation but the American Education is too strong

We're already at corona crash levels, how bad can things really get?

yes, but that only applies to countries that don't export that much to america, the big exporters got higher tariffs and they go into force tomorrow

The Trump Crash

do they really not understand that china is different. in all talk china is the big evil enemy and was so even before trump

the 10% is already being collected faggot

retaliating is stupid

Retaliating is the only sane thing, all retaliation should be double what the US tariffs.

the governments spent a batrillion gorillion dollars during COVID to stop the bleeding by maintaining international logistics, which are now being deliberately destroyed
we'll see in six months when the eu does anything

well my bad if true
though it going down a shitload off of pure announcements then going up after it being announced to be worse still makes 0 sense

ye i know

the trump dump

They love double penetration, it's that simple

the EU already announced the tariff timeline yesterday faggot

no it isn't

We buy almost nothing from the USA and they buy a lot from us, what matters is finding new markets for the produce they will no longer buy while playing for time and avoiding escalation in the meantime. China was already reducing dependence on exports to the USA but we weren't and we have to start from 0. Once you have new markets you can put a 100% tax on american tech and financial companies while subsidising a few home grown chosen alternatives, but until then it's suicide to retaliate

How can we destroy supply lines with tariffs kek? We can have 200 tariffs on China and US and nothing would happen

bad enough so you're gonna have to give up on owning the libs and instead lease them.

everyone in america is a lib if you think about it

The best part is how yesterday, today and tomorrow being green will make him feel validated in his decision.
Being green is the worst thing that could have happened, and retail made sure it happened. It's hilarious.

it was ridiculous, they even removed the bourbon thing to avoid the wine escalation, and some of the few tariffs remaining will go into force on december 1st I shit you not, but that's a good thing for us at the moment

??? they are
did they? i watched the financial egghead meeting and nothing seemed very concrete, link? there's no need to call me a faggot about it cuh
i do not agree anon
i completely agree anon

Being green is the worst thing that could have happened

that's what I'm saying
it will only embolden him

im simply convinced this shit doesnt have to follow logical reasoning
if everyone in america was a plan trusting qtard it would be green forever no matter trumps decisions

Lol it's true, 200% tariffs, trade just stops but nobody loses money

It literally is you dumb nigger it started on the weekend

retail made sure it happened.

The fake tweet moved 5 trillion usd. That can't be retail, must be funds

The EU is intelligent enough to talk with businesses in the EU and ask "what would be a good deadline to find new customers to replace this revenue" unlike Trump who just instanukes everything within a week or two.

kek

shut the fuck up navaro you retard

based fake Kennedy

he needs to tweet something like BIG BEAUTIFUL TARIFFS COMING TODAY so the market stops being delusional

Focus on the clock, Trump said more China tariffs come 12' clock

Imagine there is something even slightly positive, the markets will absolutely pump hard

I predict It's just one big market wide cope. Everyone just can't believe the orange retard will really do it, hence the yesterday's market spike for even a sight of positive news.
Once the tariffs will really hit on Wednesday, the market will plummet to the depths of hell.

market pumps 3% at open

trump tweets 30 minutes later "MARKETS LOVE MY BIG BEAUTIFUL TARIFFS, THEY LOVE MY TARIFFS SO MUCH I'M DOUBLING THEM!!!!"

market gigadumps to all 3 breakers

But we know the tarrifs are due Wednesday so it's priced in

he can't stop dropping TRVKES (that stands for TRVMP NVKES for those of you not familiar new to "internet memes" lingo)

the market will PUMP to 600 the moment tariffs go in place

trump tweets 30 minutes later "MARKETS LOVE MY BIG BEAUTIFUL TARIFFS, THEY LOVE MY TARIFFS SO MUCH I'M DOUBLING THEM!!!!"

market pumps again

Billionaires are losing millions and you people are laughing? You realize you'll have to foot the bill for it, right?

Today will close blood red, check my tripz

Ye, you're right. What was announced was retaliation to steel/aluminum tariffs, not the timeline for retaliation to these new even more batshit tariffs.

today will close at 800

everyone thinks we will poomp today

perfect time for a doomp

Stinky green fucking day. Slurp and short while you can, friends. Wednesday is the day of reckoning.

actual market

I don't fucking want to hear this fucking shitty ''priced in'' mantra anymore. Nothing was priced in.

this comment has already been priced in.

Well I've already priced them in, so everyone else should hurry the fuck up.

the retail tards who think this is a good idea and everyone is already BTFO are buying, but I genuinely don't understand how big boy institutional money doesn't get that there's really only one way this is going to go for stock prices

200% of tariffs on China are priced in bobo

BREAKING NEWS: TRUMP DEPORTS OBAMA TO KENYA UNDER ALIEN ENEMIES ACT

kenya futures up 200%

but I genuinely don't understand how big boy institutional money doesn't get that there's really only one way this is going to go for stock prices

maybe auto-trading algos aren't primed for annihilation events like this yet?

eurokeks should remove VAT regardless of orange man's antics

just sell ITM puts bros there's no way it's going down just do it bros

Well, stock prices are fake and gay, so if everyone just refuses to sell they won't go down. We'll just power the economy through WAAAGH energy.

fields of green

won't happen because trump has destroyed the liberal movement in europe for a century

UGANDA FOLDED!!!!! INDEXES PUMPING TO THE MOOOON!!!

surely they calibrate these little metal niggas every day or something, it can't just be a "buy at this price regardless of fundamentals", right?......

market imagines what trump might say to improve conditions

behaves accordingly

I'm losing it gorg I don't fucking know anymore

Trump is going to wake up soon and post and make it dump isn't he?

I have lost generational wealth.

BREAKING NEWS: HEALTHCHECK SHOWS TRUMP IS SENILE

People actually believe america is going to make all iphones on american soil and they like it, that's why the futures are pumping.
Iphones will only be 300 dollars more, but that doesn't really matter because it was always a Luxury phone wasn't it?
Then again there won't be an alternative, unless... Chinese are known for moving factories to America and then importing H1B visa workers from china to work in them for the same wages as china while living in company housing.
Chinese factories along with chinese people can be moved to america, but first you have to believe the tariffs will stay for 20 years and won't be removed.

america literally doesn't have enough people to reshore anything without either importing 1 billion immigrants or moving everyone from high margin industries like tech to low margin industries like manufacturing

this but unironically, if nobody thinks trump is retarded enough to go through with this they wont sell even if economic annihilation is a certainty if he does

this
nothing is priced in
whole fucking market is hanging on a string, and it will collapse if not tomorrow then a day later
fuck this shit I am selling everything

Buffett still comes out on top

how the FUCK does he do it?

because you picked a specific moment in time
he was behind until january

Trump is going to fly the factories over to america you fuckin libtard it will take less than a few months

You can always import single chinese guys who will get married due to the shortage of chinese women, and give them a work visa, then threaten with deportation if they don't accept the same salary as in china. But the issue is that trump is deporting white people with green cards right now, so basically setting up a factory in America is a risk for not only it's workers but also the owner. because trump will deport factory owners and their workers at will. You set up a factory and go bankrupt because ice arrested all your chinks yesterday night.
There's no rule of law. Imagine that you go to america to invest and then get deported for trump critical messages on your phone.

truly brings a tear to my eyes seeing /smg/ filled with like minded intellectuals discussing the ongoing macroeconomic trends and geopolitical events

cry

I kneel, the man is a god.

...On opposite day.
Besides, he just wants VAT gone for American products, if we removed all VAT (retarded move) he'd whine anyway since it'd be a fair playing field.

to be fair them other niggas cant exactly diversify or sell their shares, they have to schedule sell offs and if they sell too much they tank the stock and it becomes even worse off than before

the only real outlier there is elon musk, and im super confused how he can lose 33% of his networth and still be that far in the lead -- what the fuck.

with our college system getting obliterated, it'll be impossible to work in tech or anything requiring higher education and everyone will have no choice but to go to the factories
trust the plan

bears are retarded, 900 EOY

buy 700 calls bro

I promise if green wednesday open I will anon

you'll be lucky to see 700 by 2028

Was the collapse canceled? What happened? Yesterday was all doom and gloom, today the stock market is up. You guys get hoodwinked?

10x the usual volume yesterday because hedgies were unloading their bags

We're about at the mid-point now, either we drop another 20% if the tariffs go through or we return to 6000 in a matter of months if they're canceled.

When everyone is losing equally the guy who was winning the most will still be winning the most

nooooooooooooo, he'll lose his wealth and get btfo and gary deshawn from alabama will get a 200k job making tiny screw and finally have sex

I mean he's still winning but they're completely different, Buffet isnt a guy who founded a company and has the majority of his networth in it as an insider. He can sell and buy as he pleases. The other people cant

"MARKETS LOVE MY BIG BEAUTIFUL TARIFFS, THEY LOVE MY TARIFFS SO MUCH I'M DOUBLING THEM!!!!"

please no lmao
that would be hilarious, but probably crash the world economy

consolidationbros...

that gigapump is so hilarious

is this the phi=0.5 guy

it literally reversed the perfect dump down to 470

515 putbros are probably defending that resistance

tariffs get billed friday

Yesterday was unbelievably bullish

if it pumps on wednesday how many bobos will suicide

Yeah sure but not every factory worker is american and not every owner is american, therefore they're both subject to deportation. In my opinion his immigration policy is bearish, even if tariffs are bullish.

tariffs are bullish

geg

dubs is red today

600 pump today guaranteed

these people should be charged with treason

Pan noveau

I think it's the shared european ancestry that the EU is thinking about but trump wants favoritism for one race over another.
Btw buy British stocks, they're bullish only 10% tariffs.

heh

FAKE NEWS

fun^10×int^40=Ir2

Algos. Gme was right.