/smg/ - Stock Market General

He took crashing this with no survivors literally

BIDENOMICS

the bottom

delusional

KEK TOP

Half of retail has given up but the other half is still talking about buying the dip. We keep going down until 98% of people give up.

Tariffs are good in the long run. You midwits can only think at a microsopic level

I’m already all in with leverage and it’s too late to sell so I’m riding this straight down to hell, fuck it

hello, retarded tourist from Anon Babble here. i have some 15000$ on the side that i dont need in the near future.

1. what would be some good ETF / index fund or similar financial vehicle to put my dollaridoos into to profit from the current dip?
2. in your expert opinion should i buy now or wait for the stonks market to dip even further

any advice much appreciated. kind regards

SOXL

Bought $40k worth of Intel yesterday and am currently sitting at -$1k I will nut if it recovers back above $23 on Monday.

1. what would be some good ETF / index fund or similar financial vehicle to put my dollaridoos into to profit from the current dip?

If you're putting it into a post tax account and just want boring index funds, put it into XDTE. It tracks the S&P500 and beats SPY/VOO while also having excellent tax benefits. Just remember to set the dividends to automatically reinvest until you're ready to retire and collect them, then you'll get 5ish years of tax free dividends because they're return of capital dividends.

2. in your expert opinion should i buy now or wait for the stonks market to dip even further

DCA. If you've got $15k, then buy one stock of XDTE every day the market is open for the next year. This way no matter if the dump is over tomorrow or continues on for months you end up with a great deal on your cost basis.

SOXL

im not sure a leveladged stonk is really the right choice for me, a fiscal retard but i do appreciate the suggestion

SEMICONDUCTOR ETF

so black monday incoming right?

If I had any money left I would just stay in cash and see where this is going

To be fair pretty much everyone I followed this decade was wrong. Bears and bulls both. Except for maybe Joseph Wang. It's a fed market, only a former spook knew how to play it

Fakeout monday, gonna close about 0.5%-1% green, then Tuesday the slide resumes. Wednesday / Thursday will be the worst, worse than even last week.

I like TQQQ because it's broad enough and is basically just the best companies of the SPY but with 3x leverage.
Reminder that leverage cuts both ways.
Reminder that Anon Babble is full of retarded degenerates. especially me.

There's a few different ways you could look to begin entering the market.
One way is you could buy some amount now to establish a base position and buy more if it goes lower. Have set amounts like $3k since that gives you 5 buying opportunities.
Another strategy would be to wait until the market begins to recover.
You lose out timing the absolute bottom which you won't ever do anyway but you also mitigate your risk of losing even more money which is more important.
I had $8k sitting around and I bought $5k of TQQQ yesterday and I'm a huge retard so do what you want with that information
I think now is a good time to at least establish some baseline position without going all in. How you want to approach buying is your call.

It's already called the Trump Tariff crash, the possible recession that could come later doesn't need a name

Too long, just call it the Trump recession.

Guys, I am very impressed that SMG biz is alive again, who saved it?

i will call it now, it wont bottom until all of the effects of this are felt ie mass layoffs and unemployment rates spiking, company's going bankrupts or massively downsizing, a massive decline in consumption level and so on...

I'm buying Leonardo and Khyssenkrupp for 5000$ each and selling after a few % upturn. That'll be my play for Monday.

of corse unless the regime chickens out of all of this and it is all for nothing and blumpf decide to roll it back (would still be bad)

bought 5k of TQQQ

for the love of cheese at least protect it with puts or a stoploss. unless you genuinely believe line will go up and are willing to wait years, in which case good luck

sounds good

I'm going with Trumpocalypse

why the fuck would you buy export stocks before the EU has announced their retaliation

thanks this seems like sound advice. i'm gonna look into setting this up.

i appreciate the advice but i think im gonna stay away from anything leveraged. i just dont have much beyond the most rudimentary basic understanding of markets and financial instruments and it seems prudent to take it slow and easy to begin with

It is trailing both ways so my gains are low but unless the stock spike pumps and then instantly dumps I won't buy into another downturn. Plus I only intend to hold it for a day.

monday is dropping another 6%

Hey, I've never invested before and have no idea how the stock market works but I have some spare cash and was thinking of investing in some mining companies. How dumb is this decision?

This chart shows my "runway", aka how long I can survive if I stopped having an income. It's a relatively conservative and rough estimate. Yellow line is surviving only on my cash holdings, green is also on investment accounts, and black is also including 401ks (not counting early withdrawal penalties). The green line lost about 9 months in 3 months

he thinks this is the bottom

he thinks it will recover in 2025

Well, the lines in the future aren't my thoughts. They're excel formulas that average returns on my accounts and other indices to make a best guess.

I don't think we are in a bear market I think the tariffs are an overreaction and when I see the fear and greed meme index on extreme fear + Anon Babble posting multiple threads about the market selling off for what feels like weeks then I go and see QQQ down 20% I'm like fuck it I'll take a bite of this.
I am looking at it as a long term hold even though leveraged products are specifically designed for short term trading.

staying away from leverage

yeah that's a good idea.
Just buy QQQ then. All roads lead to TQQQ eventually.

This.

Have consumed cheapies, and if it dumps, I'll just buy more at a cheaper price. You know and I know, it WILL PUMP something will happen. In 2020 no one expected the printer to go brrrrr, No one did, don't pretend you saw that. Something is going to save the market. Trump won't let it slide into oblivion. Something dodgy will happen maybe the printer goes again, some FED decison, trump throws the world an olive branch, maybe he delays the tariff but something WILL HAPPEN just like 2020 just like 2022 2025 won'tbw any different. Cope and seeth and change your gender you sissy bobos, kys

market will literally collapse to 2000, trump will be assassinated for real, republicans will lose the house and the senate for 100 years, and americans will go back to eating spam so they can realize what actual paycheck to paycheck means

S&P is still 10% higher than the all time high 4 years ago. This is not cheap.

DELUSIONAL ABSOLUTELY DELUSIONAL THAT WONT HAPPEN

it might happen to you specifically because you sold the bottom

trumpcession is catchy and fitting because it can be solely blamed on one man, unlike most other recessions

I'm not selling tho, I'm buying puts and moving the profits to slurp
I'm simply describing what will happen

personally, I'm gonna call the crash Red April

Ok but listen, but the bottom. Any one that is doing to sell HAVE SOLD ALREADY they won't sell Monday. It's stupid to know. They've lost the chance to sell. They'll hold or buy.

SPRING SUMMER BULLRUN VERY SOON

no, slurpnigs already blew their load slurping last week
their balls are dry now

We've slurping every load that has been dumped into n out mouths. We cannot slupr anymore

we won't be hitting the bottom until the EU retaliation is known, which is going to be a long-time given their typical bureaucratic bullshittery. In the mean time, it's going to be nothing but institutionals selling their bags while bullish retailers try to survive in a knife shower.

The Trumptardation.
And how come no one, NO FUCKING ONE, politician, journalist, whoever, call that retard exactly what he is: a retard. How come the Dems retard are completely silent. How come there's not a single newspaper headline "WE JUST ELECTED A PURE RETARD" in capital letters with a nice picture of the S&P500 line crashing like it's 1929.
I swear even the fucking Soviet Union had more free speech.

This might be hard to understand, but for every seller there is a buyer. Every transaction is symmetric. The market will never run out of sellers or buyers.

my dad thinks that if trump doesn’t cuck, this could be worse than the great depression because trade is a lot more global than it was 100 years ago. how true is that?

which is going to be a long-time

it's literally mid until end of april

This recession needs to be traumatic. I want to see the middle class at food banks, mass retail layoffs, foreclosures, funding crisis. I want this whole system to implode so that Trump voters can learn how fucking retarded they are.

How come the Dems retard are completely silent

they are so flabbergasted they don't know what to do

This is what's frustrating me to no end. Nobody in the media will call him a moron even though they're all thinking it.

yes but no. it's not like in terms of lifestyle things will ever be anything like the great depression, modern technology and industry isn't going away, but in relative terms many could potentially lose a lot.

Everything I've heard coming out of the White House has been Trump doesn't care in the short term what happens to the stock market, but I wonder how long that lasts. Since this seems to be a long term plan that will take years, if the DOW hits 20k will he change course?

Trump has been a nonstop money printer for news agencies, why do you think none of them stood up for the AP? Because it would've meant getting kicked out of the press conferences and losing the viewership (and ad revenue)

He's gonna have to be forced to change course kicking and screaming

Slurped a ton last week, looking to slurp more and reach max slurp next week

Okay. Lets say a black monday event happens. what are we buying

They've been calling him a moron for about ten years at this point, maybe they're trying to come up with a new plan since it's not worked out great.

He's gonna have to be forced

Nobody forces Trump to do anything. Like Putin, he's surrounded himself with nothing but yes-men. Expect things to get far... far worse. This is just the beginning.

canned beans, a gun and ammunition

Monday is dead cat bounce

The Great Trumpression sounds catchy enough to me

That's turn around Tuesday

why would we buy the top

Bullshit. I regularly read finance news and they all tiptoe around his retarded polices calling them "unusual", "unorthodox", etc and not for what they are, fucking retarded. It's a new form of political correctness.

whoa

calls

Retail thought they could slurp last week. Oh no no no, get ready faggots.

nothing, wait for the tuesday fakeout to lower IV and buy puts

they probably want to play this slow and smart, the retardation level took them by surprise this time

Since the close on Friday we've only had defiant language from officials and I doubt Sunday will bring any relief. Monday will be bloody.

to be fair I don't think any of his previous acts of retardation caused a stock market crash. this is unprecedented

All trump has to do is hold one (1) press conference at his villa on sunday and state that the tarriffs are a way to negotiate deals, not as a permanent solution. Then all will be green and good again

for me its 160 months with no investment, just pure cash. I could probably stretch it out to 200+-250 months with some safe investments. life wouldnt be "fun" but I would survive.

Now I get it

Do you mean you have 160 months of cash right now? Or 160 months if you went 100% to cash right now?
The second is what my chart shows. If I liquidated, how many months could I go... (it doesn't include interest on savings accounts)

That will involve other countries having to negotiate and for Trump to make clear what he wants. Some of the tariffs make no sense. Why are we tariffing Madagascar vanilla? We can not produce vanilla locally. We do not have the climate for it. Same for coffee.

What's Hawaii and Puerto Rico

What's Guam

I think he really tried to make it appear "fair" by doing a flat tariff on the world

When did /smg/ become the reddit thread?

it is the Trump Dump everything else is wrong

when did polnigs get out of their containment subreddit?

it's always been a lil bit reddit-ish

I am sitting 100% on cash rn. I could survive for 160 months (rent, food, etc.) just off that cash.

Yeah, good luck farming out Hawaii enough of their pricey vanilla for the metric tons of vanilla ice creams gulped down by turbolards.
That will be fun to watch.

i don't think it's fairness. the main problem is that bilateral tariffs don't really work to the full degree that you implement them, because you can always run proxy-trade through a third country. putting a base tariff of 10% on everyone ensures that the countries that you want to enforce tariffs on are subject to at least 10%, + epsilon for the cost of running proxy-trade through those countries.
disclaimer: i still think that these tariffs are utterly fucking retarded

Real vanilla is almost a luxury item and indistinguishable from synthetic vanilla, which is incredibly simple to make and cheap. The only people eating real vanilla nowadays are splurging richfags.

Yes but thats a rational thought. Its not about that for MAGA, thats why he used two terms in his "tariff equation" that cancel out. Its all about how fox news viewers view the tariffs, and those viewers think a flat tariff rate, like a flat tax, is fair

Not going to happen unless something breaks badly in the financial system like in 08. We are overdue to a big correction though. SP500 PE is still higher than it should be and we're probably retracing GDP 2 years if tariffs go into full effect as drawn. Markets will need liquidity to catch up which Powell won't provide until he sees how tariffs impact inflation so I think we could be hitting 4000. This could be a repetition of the 70's two-shock wave across markets through that decade now that Trump introduced this new dynamic factor.

You're mentally-ill and deranged. Imagine orange retard living 24/7 rent free in your head to the point you want massive chaos and poverty to prove your point.

Hawaii doesn't have enough land to grow coffee/vanilla to scale. It's also several times more expensive than coffee/vanilla grown abroad.

IT’S UP!!!
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pack it up

I may be retarded but I legit think this is risky. Like, having all your wealth in one single thing, doesn't matter if it's cash.

Reformulate your question. Only 2 digit IQ potatoes are going to say yes.

newfags asking if this is a good time to buy

massive sell indicator, no bounce

he should just put it in a money market fund

I got out of my etf/stocks/btc a month ago. I will buy myself back in once the pain is over.

I assume that's what he's doing. Either that or Tbills. My point stands.

So, no new retarded statements or whatever from the clowns at the WH? Nothing? Not even a tweet? Have they gone silent or what? I expected at least a little something from them, trying to make the market do a desperate little bump.

Dubs and Monday is worse than 1987

Blablabla excuses

Point is, we can, if needed. We don't have to depend on anyone for anything

Finally, back to my home board. This is a wonderful time to buy that fucking dip.

close enough, I can settle for 2008

Held these through the weekend. Thoughts?

This, but MFs here need a personal invitation to buy a sale

Ticker scrabble score maxing?

to what

Are you guys winning? Full portws into calls and short volatility for a dead cat bounce on Monday

dubs and the ride never ends and we make 1929 look like a walk in the park

That was a good one it took me a second

-2% I think

total silence from the White House after one of the largest market crashes in history

If you think we're going anywhere but further down, I've got some SOXL shares to sell you.

I think the bounce isn’t going to last an hour, not touching that shit

can $soxl hit $2

It can hit $0

I think once it hits $0 I'm gonna buy 100 shares.

I don't think it actually can.

"can these tariffs be used to negotiate a better deal for the US" or something like that. I doubt anyone in this administration, including orange man, really think employing it in chat GPT formula is a good idea. It's so outrageous that's probably why he picked it instead of more sensible that were presented to him by his cabinet.

Golden bull confirmed

If the combined underlying securities go below -33% what do you think happens?

Sp500 pe went DOWN to 17. That‘s higher than a 5% low risk return rate. Spy wasn‘t due for a correction. It was due for a massive increase you retard

cash gang when are we buying? I've had blueballs for 4 years now because I listened to retarded bears.

But they rebalance daily.

Can you believe it guys? My cost basis, just 200 points away. Cost basis is at 5300! Woohoo! I am so happy about this information. Cost basis! Just a 200 points away, oh wow. Can you believe it? My position! Just 200 points! We got here so fast! 5300! Just 200 points away!

Where are you getting 17 from? I don't see a single source below 25.

who saved it?

Trump

Sorry meant forward pe

when are we buying?

too moar weaks

Isn't forward PE going to tank with the recession? Don't think that's a good metric to use right now.

Okay so why would anyone invest in factories here when another president might revoke the tariffs and they're now stuck with a completely uncompetitive factory?

Maybe the higher profit margins make it worthwhile. A 20% tariff of an import is, after all, carte blanche to raise your own price.

Well then you could sell off the machinery, convert the factory building into loft apartments, and probably still come out ahead

I'm tempted to go all in on VIX. Tell me why this is stupid.

Nvdia put on monday: y or too late?

So what if you see a 34% drop in a single day? Granted, unprecedented, but things are getting weird. Things could get interesting if a bunch of leveraged ETFs go tits up all at once.

The problem is that the tariffs will be gone by the time the factory is actually producing goods. It's just an EO, and there's no way republicans win 2028 if they sink the global economy, so those tariffs are going away on January 20th 2028.

invest in factories here

Ayo ramjeet - we looking for dose hitek factory jobs makn them chips, nomwat I say'n

Oh you haven't had enough?

I don't know exactly what they invest in, but even if there's a cataclysmic drop like that in the NASDAQ, the derivatives TQQQ invests in probably wouldn't all go to zero. A lot would... but not all. They aren't investing in 0dte options, so there would still be some residual value in the assets that they could liquidate and use to rebalance. The actual TQQQ price would be near $0, but that's what reverse splits are for.

guys quick question. like i've be yield curve examining.. does this still work with tariff quackery? or is it now ineffective?

Premiums are high because of volitility. Far less risky to be short volatility. If you're still bearish, look into writing call credit spreads on the next green day or rally.

Every dip is caused by something different so yes

I'm now a SOXL baggie. I need it to go to 21$ to be in the green. I'm going to not look at the market for the next year and hopefully it'll be up by then. Otherwise I rope I guess lol.

buy high sell low

Amazing strategy

But the party is just getting started

i will call it now, it wont bottom until all of the effects of this are felt ie mass layoffs and unemployment rates spiking, company's going bankrupts or massively downsizing, a massive decline in consumption level and so on...

basado

Most of you guys are tourists right?
That explains the influx after the crash. Thank god Anon Babblesmg/ is still comfy, even if we are all moderately suicidal.

People want this to be over very badly even though nothing has materially improved beyond better US nonfarm payroll data, which is a lagging indicator

Aren't those hiring numbers from last month/quarter?

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is this bait or are we rebbit now?

This is incredibly unlikely for SOXL, but the answer is that shares should get cancelled. Due to circuit breakers 33% is pretty much impossible, but it could get redeemed for pennies on the dollar after a massive collapse. It's happened to several other leveraged products such as UWT/DWT/VMIN/TVIX.

That screencap was taken May of last year.

People want this to be over very badly even though nothing has materially improved beyond better US nonfarm payroll data, which is a lagging indicator

People are accustomed for number go up in perpetuity and in the off chance number go down they are also accustomed to number going back up to where it once was in a very short amount of time.
If there isn't at least a 50% retracement of the move from the previous SPX ATH to Friday's close within the next two weeks, people will treat it as the greatest depression, the end of the world as we know it, or literal armageddon. Proclaiming that something like this has never happened in their lifetime; which in reality only lasts their memory, which is severely impeded by the average retardation of the average person, which amounts to a memory of less than 5 years I assume.
People really are this retarded.
Also, the likelihood of SPX retracing 50% of that down move within the next two weeks is greater than "the sell off" to continue much further from Friday's close, I guess.
Because line always goes up eventually, right?

God bless GOD EMPEROR TRUMP
He always crashes the market and gives me a good entry point for a pump and dump

recommend everyone to add "bant" to the filter, you won't miss anything (i just remembered the filter exists)

Has META hit the bottom yet and also how long do you think until it beats it all time high again of 736 usd?

Why would Meta go up?

It's so stupid that we are letting a retard induce a stock market crash and recession

I bought spyu at 55 bucks.

So what is QQQs bottom? Not sure when to go TQQQ. I’m thinking being all in after a 35% QQQ crash isn’t a bad strategy?

Winrar

It's not going up anytime soon bro Meta and X are the most likely candidates to get hit by the EU.
Zucc won't turn the tide unless he releases and god tier AI model.

Both EU and Canada wanted a 3% revenue tax prior to this bullshit. I feel like that’s probably a gaurentee, I’m curios how’d that actually impact those money printers though.

Debating if I want to go TQQQ or UPRO when things feel bottomish.

I keep seeing people gloating that China made a mistake creating tariffs of their own as a response? Why?

Because they're retarded and choking down the state propaganda.

Because people that have never heard of game theory or even went to college think it’s a own to point out if tarrifs are bad why would a country respond with them.

trump said it

The number of people here who are butthurt is hilarious. "Trump's a retard", "Trump's a moron", "Blumpf". If you really thought that, you'd have shorted the market and celebrated as it went down. Since you didn't, you actually expected that he'd be good for the economy, and now all you can do is think to call him mean names, as if that's worked for the last decade. It's like baby's first time hating trump.

If you really thought that, you'd have shorted the market and celebrated as it went down

That would work if he was actually consistent and didn't constantly flip flop on everything.

Why can't we short and be upset about the long term consequences for the economy even if we make money in the short term.

Here is a picture on why you will always be miserable and why no one will ever respect your opinion. Most of us don’t see the world in a binary nature like you clearly do.

I think all that and I'm currently up 30% via going full bear ETF last week. Sure, I'm making money hand over fist, but the incoming depression is still going to fuck me over like everyone else.

You don’t get it.

Fuck Trump talk though. I just want to know where QQQ will bottom out and if TQQQ or UPRO is better?

It's going to go up monday

No I expected reciprocal tariffs not a retarded calculation made with an equation Lutnick pulled out of his massive jewish nigger nose, the market did aswell seeing it went up briefly while trump was rambling about nothing

This. There were analysts out there modelling the expected outcomes based on exactly what he was telling them, and he pulls this shit out of his ass. You can't invest off random bullshit like that.

No :)

of all the supporters of these tariffs, what percent are shills and what percent are just plain retarded

They are the same

hard to calculate, all shills are retarded but not all retards are shills

Thank god for all the pedos on Anon Babblesmg/ is still comfy pedo lounge

You retards are gonna open a short on Monday, aren't you? LMFAO

be me

hope for a dip

a dip happens

can't bring myself to buy

Fuck.

Yes if we open green

Be patient, markets are going to be bleeding for a while. Trump isn't going to back down on the tariffs.

You should look into Australian rare earths
China has stopped selling to the US because if the trade war which conveniently leaves us sitting on top of the world's second largest reserve of all the most critical minerals the USA needs for its army and stuff

How do I short stocks on Robinhood? I am retarded and need to have my hand held

Trump won't let it slide into oblivion.

Trump can't stop it, the fatal blow has already been struck and now we are just waiting for the walking corpse that is the US economy to finish bleeding out

just buy bear etfs if you can't do options

How come the Dems retard are completely silent.

What the fuck do you expect them to do? Trump controls all three branches of government and the republicans will burn America to the ground before they turn on him

I'm a habitual gambler, so tomorrow won't affect me at all.
We all meet up at the same finishing line, huh?
Uhh, good luck, though.

can't bring myself to buy

just buy a little, no need to go full retard. If it dips harder buy a little more, just go slow.

if you keep buying the dip you'll be buying every day for the next 4 years and make nothing

The technical term is "sanewashing"
The media has been sanewashing Trump for a good ten years now, but you are only noticing it now because its being done to cover up something bad that is happening to you specifically

the republicans will burn America to the ground before they turn on him

I'm not so sure about that. I think the special elections have scared them a bit. I've seen a surprising amount of public republican resistance to these tariffs. But it will probably be too late when/if it happens.

Alright. I'm on AAPL right now, do I do a Limit order or what?

I wish we had a poll. Could see where Anons think SPY will bottom. I think this won’t be that bad and bounce before 430 (30%) but who knows.

what happens if trump sticks to his tarrifs until the end of his term?

you make it up on volume

Depression. Possibly global depending on how the rest of the world reacts.

I don't have robin hood.
But a limit order is safer than a market order since you can set what you sell it at.
Then buy what you think is best.

Well it must have happened in the 80's. There was a NYT story about how he lost an auction for the piano from Casablanca to a japanese bidder and after that he went to congress demanding they tariff Japan and to force Japan to revalue the Yen more fairly against the dollar.

This, it took for me to see the Trevor Milton Nikola pardon to finally see it. It was just something so rarely black and white that even the biggest Simp couldn’t defend. All for 1.8 million which is nothing. So little it’s not even corrupt, just a clown show incompetentence.

Because ppl parrot what the talmudvision tell them. Ofc they'd retaliate, it's a question of honor and dignity. Every country on earth will do the exact same shit, nobody want to look like a pussy ass bitch. But it wont have much of an impact, US exports to China represent 10% of China total imports. And it's quasi exclusively from "US companies" with their factories in China importing parts lel.

I work in water heater parts manufacturing. We've been overtiming.

Are protests bullish or bearish?

or when he pardoned the founder of Silk Road just to appease the extreme liberaltarians

i'm going to be tough on drugs. execute drug dealers

i'm also going to pardon a guy who ran one of the largest illegal drug markets in the world

What’s weird is both Switzerland (whopping 34%) and Australia (10%) have said they won’t. So I’m curios if more countries will follow suit.
I think you are correct but Switzerland through me for a loop.

Are protests bullish or bearish?

good for employment, only jobs retards can get is to show up somewhere and walk around with pre-made signs. They don't even know what the protest is for. You can just walk up and join them and hit on any easy girls in short shorts.

I like how people get mad at trump voters and not realize the difference between what popular and electoral votes are

I've seen it said that he will take off the tariffs from the EU and it's individual countries if they start buying American natural gas, but who knows.

why would you buy the almost-top tho?

Right before market close yesterday I shorted Russell 2000 >:)

Yea, but at least there was an argument to be made. Some people supported that. I like the Trevor Milton one as no one on earth said this was good. You either hated it or didn’t know about it. Not even the most deranged supporter could defend the Nikola Trevor Milton pardon in return for 1.8 mil.
And if he was clearly, clearly retarded/wrong there, how many other grey areas is he equally retarded and yet getting the 5d chess treatment.
How much of this crash is the tarrifs, or how poorly done it was done ie the penguin colony / US army base.

Tell me why would it go down more?

I’m betting on this too, but I also know there is a good chance I’m wrong. I’ll be 95% out of powder and fully leveraged at qqq down 30%.

Watch it crash %82…

Forward p/e is a very bad imaginary number for turbulent and uncertain times. 2007 forward p/e made valuations seem reasonable and then p dropped like a brick. At the same time in march 2009 p/e was like 100 (this is all from memory haven't checked any numbers) because e was mostly negative. But that was the best time to buy for the long term.

I fully expect a bear market rally next week. But the medium term trend is down down down down.

yall ready for orange monday

Yeah the DOGE thing just feels like a distraction when they had a chance to make meaningful change to the size and spending of the government. Supporters love it because anything govt = bad. I'd like to see military spending absolutely gutted but I'm probably alone in that. It's also annoying how they call everything they don't like fraud when it's mostly just wasteful spending.

bros...

European Union firms will try to export goods via Northern Ireland in an attempt to get a reduced tariff rate when exporting to the US#.

they're called Black Mondays for a reason

I'm just looking for somewhere to store my money at this point. I think a generic Latin American etf might work, lots of money in Mexico and Brazil that might still prosper better than a lot of the world. Assume that Mexico and Brazil can stay off Trump's shitlist.

UK, Australia and Singapore might do well too. Working as transit points for other countries.
EU and Canada seem sensible for a different way in that there just moving in a direction to deal with the mess.
China seems to have gotten stupidly strong since it looked to be struggling in 2021-23 too, shame I don't invest in dictatorships.

Switzerland may be still completely buck broken about all the villainous shits the US administration did to them the past decade : ending the banking secret, FBI meddling with their offshores & franco de port revenues, Wall streets kikes making Credit Suisse into the scapegoat and blowing it up to smithereens, force DEI-ing UBS near extinction, forcing them to end their neutral stance to confiscate russian assets and then organize a propaganda meetup for NATO, etc...
It's just next level how Washington bullied the swississies, i wouldn't be surprised if they are simply like a trauma victim facing their torturer.
But it may be something else, and swiss are quite sneaky and long term thinking, so i'm not familiar enough with the matter to tell with certainty if it's fear or 5D chess.

For Australia, their admin feel like they are in a permanent dick sucking competition with the rest of the anglo world for US approval, so i'm not surprised.

Dutch overseas

why wouldn't it? trump loves tariffs. he tariffed the world. that's the end of the USA and current economic system

lol

Just get a vanilla bean and soak it in vodka. You can make your own vanilla extract very easily at home

Not going to happen. Northern Ireland has corridors flowing both ways, everything that has a risk of leaving Northern Ireland goes into the red corridor and is treated like an international product.

The problem is really going the other way - when the EU imposes tariffs then Northern Ireland has to add whatever is tariffed onto its red corridor list too which will bring it further out from UK trade policy.

you're only laughing right now if you are holding short positions.
the dysgenic brownoid mutts of the states have decided they want to become a sweatshop, only they'll be tariffed and too expensive to export anything.
unless they reverse quickly the rest of the world had moved on.
there's only been a blip of 80 years of US hegemony, it couldn't last forever

True that. Still, I want to keep my eye on the prize. How do we profit maximize so we can be on a beach leaving this silliness behind. I’ve decided I can’t beat social media retardation but I might be able to build my own paradise without it.

It is time to lay the hammer on the Irish Protestants. Traitors to the Emerald Isle.

why did smg suddenly get so active
no i mean i kind of know but where is every1 coming from even

like who goes to a crypto board to talk about stocks

stocks are shitting the bed, thats when people talk about stocks

I used to wear orange every St Patrick’s day, no Canadians got it but I had a few bar fights with Irish tourists in college.
Than our Native Americans took the colour and now when I wear orange I just look like a Indian lover protesting North American colonization. I’ll never forgive those prairie niggers.

I dont want to hear a single one of you call the "americans are stupid" heuristic a baseless stereotype ever again

80 years of US hegemony

More like a century, their hegemon status started with UK & France losing their oversea influence after WW1's extreme exhaustion of capital (at least that's the official theory, the reality is much more Anon Babbleish : jewish bankers simply decided the US would become their new HQ). Still, that was a good run, no regroots. Now* the jewish overlords decided China would be their new host, so they are sabotaging and looting what remain of the current host asap.

Now * : it was decided back in the 70s that the next migration would be to HK, but it took few decades to completely infiltrate the CCP and move all their assets/patents/critical infrastructures down there.

Retard

This is a stock board, crypto invaded

I slurped already
But I have like $700 left. Should I buy some puts Monday morning to hedge?

Well, technically Anon Babble was created because Anon Babble spent their times whining to the mods that bitcorn gamblers were shitting up their board non stop. We are a containment board. That said, total shitcoiners death, it should be a bannable offense to have threads about altcoins.

Our treasurer, shadow treasurer and the head of the RBA are all in agreement that retaliatory tariffs will do more harm then good due to our trade deficit with the USA.
Since the government, opposition ad the bulk of the general public all tryst the expert advice provided by the public service, and also because this is the exact same strategy we used to remarkable success against the chinks when they launched thier little trade war against us a few years back, there is currently no political impetus for reciprocal tariffs in Australia

US makes up only about 5% of our exports in Australia, and most of that are goods we can easily sell elsewhere, we won't retaliate because there is nothing to gain from doing so.

Tariffs hurt your own country. So it would only be beneficial to retaliate if you needed to protect your own exports.

Why are aussie """leaders""" such extreme incompetent losers and petty autocrats? They might be the most mediocre government to have ever existed.

no i mean i kind of know but where is every1 coming from even

Vultures looking to make a quick buck off the decaying corpse of US hegemony

dip

consider the following

What would you have them do? Just retaliate for the sake of retaliating?

If all countries have to make every product themselves then what is the point of races and countries?

Just retaliate for the sake of retaliating?

Exactly. At 100% no less.

Looks like Australians actually believe that tariffs the are bad

Really a political response more than an economic one, but they could look into fining US tech.

China seems to have gotten stupidly strong since it looked to be struggling in 2021-23 too, shame I don't invest in dictatorships.

If the country is still making their billionaires randomly disappear, I wouldn't even attempt to make China stronger

The countries ignoring the tariffs will do the best

We literally went through this exact scenario with China a few years back. By doing nothing we were able to sell elsewhere at a higher price, and after a while the Chinese just lifted the tariffs and apologized.

huh... this means Monday we crash again right?

That's yet to be seen, with Trump we don't even know if tariffs will still be there by next week.

Aus traders here, thoughts on BBUS?

betashares.com.au/fund/us-equities-strong-bear-fund/

Already in for a few thousand before Thrusdays crash. But debating putting in a few thousand more on Monday.

No, Tesla, Apple and Nvidia sellers are just meme stock rats who are finally selling their overvalued trash.
We're not at the top yet. Rates are going to be cut next week or next month and then we'll hit all time high

why do you have my post saved?

Why would rate cuts be taken as a bullish sign when inflation is on its way up already and you're adding more fuel to the fire that way. Tariffs are the problem here and the fed can't solve that.

I just can't see him backing down at this point. He may lower the tariffs on some countries which don't mean much. But for the markets that matter (China, EU, Vietnam) they will stay. The end goal is to force manufacturing back to the US

Powell already stated we are in a wait and see mode. I guess the real question is, what will Trump do when Powell raises interest rates.

I thought it was worth screencaping
I have a few others

Probably redditards after all their shitty stock lost 3x value from ATH

what will Trump do when Powell raises interest rates.

With what monies? Trump admin is going so radical exactly because the US are too broke to finance the national debt. If they raise IR it's a death sentence, not sure the Fed will do it just to spite the current administration. But who knows, after all the Fed do not serve US interests.

He can't raise rates that will cause the second great depression

kek

kek

His only job is to keep inflation low.
Any consequences of that are Trumps problem.

How can he keep inflation low when it's our fault?

Nothing ever happens

So what are the chances of a legitimate, actual depression? Wondering how much I should lose in a sell-off

Raise rates -> Great Depression
Lower rates -> Inflationary Spiral

It's a lose lose situation

Who exactly is The Atlantic's target audience?

losing 10% of stock valuation in two days is pretty fucking bad. we don't hit breakers anymore because algos do everything in their power to crab around it ever since 2020 happened

Trumps plans will almost rely on a depression to force the kind of changes he wants. So it depends on if he backs down or not

rate cuts with tariffs

sir, your dobson tier monetary inflation? the only thing that can ameliorate trump's retarded play is raising rates, not cutting them

he didnt do it for the 1.8 mill retard, he did it because Pam Bondi knows the guy and his wife, they're all aquantances irl. He did a bunch of finance guys at the same time, who cares. It sucks, but anyone investing in meme-tech trucks like that deserved to lose money. Green tech is for the rich scamming the government and gullible retards.

The silk road guy deserves prison, but at the same time, he could be extremely useful to various intel agencies from a tech-skills standpoint and should have been recruited into the fbi/CIA years ago.

Are they capable of threading the needle of only triggering a recession?

To add to this I don't think he will. His people are convinced backing down now would just render the sacrifices already made worthless. They keep saying this just needs to ridden out and that they are fighting a war. Moreover they think they can sell the public on dealing with the short term pain for supposed long term benefits.

If they had competent and professional economic experts designing policy maybe.

The media blitz of Stephen Miller and co to all the media outlets repeating the same slogan of short term pain and that the previous economy under Biden was fake and we were heading toward a catastrophe if they didn't do the things they are doing makes me think there is no turning back. They are all in.

Yup this weekend has only convinced me that this isn't a temp thing. Will be doubling down on shorts Monday. There may be a few bounces along the way, but we aren't at the bottom

If the EU joins China in retaliatory tariffs then the real bloodbath begins.

news, fake news triggering programmed selling, everything is inter related via the central banks, big banks and hedge funds, the lower the prices the more the super rich can buy (the went to cash early as they always do). This is just part of the manipulated economy/financial industry.

Which broker should I use? I am a newfag. I own 0 stocks and idk anything about it
Willing to learn.

People IRL recommend Robinhood but people here call me a faggot for it. So what do I use then?

they all do the same job, robinhood at least has a fairly intuitive UI for a beginner and locks things like options at first so you don't go and fuck your account up.

Which broker should I use?

Do you have a 401k, or an IRA? If yes, they may already have a connection with a brokerage for the self directed investment option. If not, you can pick one. I use Schwab because it was the only option for a 401K self directed option. I like it. I have not used any other. Schwab does not automatically give you options trading, you have to apply for it and they may or may not grant it (for your own protection) based on your finances and experience. I recall when GME was mooning Robinhood blocked its used from buying GME, they could only sell. If a brokerage blocked me from making money I would never use them. The two biggest are Vanguard and Schwab, you can choose anyone and leave one for another if you want. Go to their website, watch vids, even call several and ask them questions see if they will meet with you discuss your needs.

I hope I have the self restraint not to make any moves for at least two days.

So what is the lowest you think the DOW will go? 30K? 20K? 10K? 5K? Lower?!

35-40% off ATH. 27k to 29k.

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