Isn't it positively nefarious how hard our own government will resist raising taxes on foreigners and foreign...

Isn't it positively nefarious how hard our own government will resist raising taxes on foreigners and foreign importers, while also resisting lowering taxes for American workers and businesses domestically?

A tariff is a tax on american workers and businesses you lilwit

she would be very upset if she could read that

Ohhhh is that what they told you? That taxing a rich multi national foreign importer means you're taxing a working American? But taxing a working American is not taxing a working American. lmfao

Anyways, prices aren't budging and the kikes are starting to freak out since their dire predictions aren't coming true

That taxing a rich multi national foreign importer means you're taxing a working American?

Yes.
Do you think the shareholders will cut their margins to "help" the working American expenses?
Btw the same working American they fuck in the ass everyday paying shit wages?

The shareholder or company has no choice. If they raise the price of their product due to a tariff, they get undercut by a competitor and lose the sale. There is no "tax on the consumer", they go for the cheapest product available and a tariff makes foreign slop less amenable.

Of course, they DO have the profit margins to eat the tariff, which is why costs are not going to rise. I can't believe on Anon Babble of all places that people would buy the most basic of kike lies. Tariffs and any barrier to global trade are their sworn enemy.

The tax is not really about the money, it's more about a psychological display of dominance to keep the serfs in line

We need a new separation of power: the tax agency, which decides how much taxation is done.

It must be made solely of people who PAY taxes, not people who RECEIVE TAXES AS SALARY. The government must receive tax money to work with from this agency comprised of tax payers - the government can't be the one fucking deciding how much money they raise and get paid with. This is the root of all problems, and is completely illogical.

Imagine your employee, rather than you the boss, deciding what his salary must be.
That is the reality of the government deciding how much they tax themselves.

The taxation must be handled by tax payers, not tax spenders.
Then the tax payers give the money to the tax spenders to do their best job with it

WHY are we not doing this yet? Pro tip: because most men are cucks and too stupid now to see through this basic logic. We are fucked

If you don't agree 100% with everything I just said you are low IQ and the root problem

this is the highest IQ post on Anon Babble by the way and you cannot argue otherwise (using actual arguments)

were you born retarded or just identify as one?

shareholder has no choice

the competitors pay the same tariff

No tax on consumer

The price increase gets passed on to consumer

Profit margins will pay for tariff

lel, and multinationals will pay you more and santa is gonna drop off some gifts. Go back to jerking off to built for bbc porn.

I dont give a shit about tariffs anymore as long as my taxes get cut. low income cucks like you are gonna pay a higher percentage of your income as tariff tax. So you get what you voted for.

but what about my niggerinos and other economically impaired social groups!?

The creation of the income tax itself warped the entire power balance of taxation. When it was affecting the entire population (sales taxes) or foreign entities (tariffs/excise taxes) they were naturally kept in check. It only exploded after they devised a tax on workers. Workers are a minority of America and are immediately outvoted by the rest. This is why we see a consistent trend across the west: non-workers and non real workers (the state, public employees, welfare dependents, retirees, young adults, foreigners, the non working rich who live off of capital) vs real American workers and the middle class.

It's a cancerous, toxic feedback loop. The working class, the middle class, must be prized and protected as the source of all national economic power, and instead it's squeezed more and more over the years because there is no mechanism to control the cancerous growth spiral of parasitic entities attached.

the competitors pay the same tariff

No they don't. Domestic production doesn't pay a tariff, and other countries have lower tariffs or none at all.

The price increase gets passed on to consumer

The price increase never scales 1:1 with the tariff amount due to the other options I just listed. There is a profit margin equilibrium.

You're the retarded child that thinks foreign companies can just skirt concrete systematic changes. They can't. That's why you change the system, not beg for "price cuts" or whatever the fuck your leftist cockroach brain thinks is a better alternative.

We need tax collection to be handed by working people then, who pay taxes, rather than by the government

The people who fund the government through their taxes must be the ones deciding how much of their money they think the government is worth

stupid niggers like you wouldnt buy 12kg gold bars from china for $1/ea because itd "undercut american gold miners"

literal braindead rerard, perhaps somehow worse

do you think companies will just eat the cost

The successful ones will. The anon you're replying to told you the exact thing that is happening right now in my laboratory

shopping for new equipment

one vendor raised their prices

one vendor ate the difference in tariffs, and was already a lower price beforehand

Guess which one we're going to be recommending to the PO dept? Companies exist to make a sale. If they can't make the sale, they're out of business, thanks for playing!

I get where you're coming from, but income taxes need to be a wartime emergency power, to be used only with a TOTALLY UNANIMOUS vote, quarterly, or they automatically expire. They are a crippling burden to the constituency, and should only be used as a measure to combat an existential crisis. Any other form of taxation needs to be clean and objective with no margin for negotiations (sales taxes, tariffs, consumption taxes) or there WILL be corruption. "Handling" of taxation by people (there will always be traitors in every strata of a large enough society) will always be a problem that leads to exploitation

Foreign slaver companies in Asia are arguably greedier than American ones. Their profit margins are absurd and they absolutely have the bandwidth to eat the cost to make sure they don't lose to an American or European competitor. Some of them are even state subsidized, deliberately in order to injure other economies, and the hilarity of tariffs is that this uses it against them as we simply get to keep their subsidy.

eat cost

widget cost 10 , i sell for 12. Now new tax is 13. Surely i will eat cost. You guys even hear the shit coming out of your mouth? Try buying anything made in china and paying less.
You people are retarded and i dont feel bad that you will pay more in basic goods, you people deserve it.

wont reccomend vendor that raised prices.

faggot all of them will raise prices once stocks run out. You cant absorb 30% new tax, thats not how anything works.

Imagine cheering a new 30% tax on consumers . Wipe the orange jizz off your face before you go back in public.

Guess which one we're going to be recommending to the PO dept?

The one that now hires illegals and fired white Americans?
MAGA!

I don't know, either way it seems the first step to address all taxation collection problems is to separate its power from the government that spends it.

As for corrupted people, put enough (hundreds) of people being voted in locally in their communities/cities to vote on taxation, the system becomes distributed enough that corruption would be very hard.

It would be a massive step in the right direction. Imagine you and me, working tax payers, deciding how much people should be taxed on (if at all in cases like you pointed out), deciding how much salary government positions will receive, all of that instead of the government who benefits from all of that

We need that separation of power foremost

They don't have a choice, you fucking moron. It exists. So their options are: apply the higher cost to the customer, and lose sales because you are now getting beaten by lower prices from competitors. Or, eat the cost, to some extent, to continue to make the sale.

Companies tend to operate on a profit. They have bandwidth. Are your hands tired from all of the rubbing yet?

give real world example

BUT HAVE YOU THOUGHT OF THIS HYPOTHETICAL THAT PROVES YOU WRONG?! HMMMMM?

Sure, OK man. I'm not reading the rest of your nonsensical rant. Have this (You) and be at peace

Fun fact: for the first time in 4 years my midwestern area is now advertising local factory jobs again and I'm hearing trucker ads on the radio. Not letting in millions of people per year causes an immediate boost in negotiating power for the lower working class, who knew!

are you retard. everyone who buys from china will increase prices. You are dumb as shit if you think otherwise.

You cant lose money as a company, no matter how much you want to suck orange retards dick.

I'm just about at the point where I'm just going to leave these >people alone. They can flop all over the ground and stay (very curiously) preoccupied with their enemies' dicks while we just go on our way. Its getting sad

Remember Anon Babble is full of foreigners too who literally don't want the USA to succeed, of course they're going to constantly FUD

You can't lose money as a company

I mean, you can. Then you go bankrupt. If you can't meet the new price equilibrium and competitors can, you die. This puts the ball in the company's court, and frankly Asian slaver corporations absolutely have the wherewithal to eat added costs while still making a profit.

The separation is already codified, but not enforced. You're right this is a problem, but its one that will come back if there's any "credits," "loopholes," "carveouts," or any subjectivity in applying the tax code. When a barebones ai model from last year can sufficiently do the entire countries taxes accurately, then we know the system is good. The simpler it is, the fairer it is, and the easier to find "cheats"
I think you're on the right track, but I believe the ultimate problem isn't the wielding of authority inappropriately (it is a problem), its that the option is there to wield it as a cudgel in the first place

made up example from imaginary company and jobs lel

cant point out problem with logic

lel

I pay the top bracket of income tax. These tariffs with tax breaks are a net positive for me because. They will impact median workerfags like you. I dont give a shit enjoy being unemployed and paying more for basic goods lel, you voted for this.
KYS

Ahhhh yes the mythical, legendary "top income tax bracket" rich American guy who also has KYS_MIGATARD.jpg saved on his computer and spends his days whining about Trump and Israel, this guy is totally real

you retard, the asians dont eat the tariffs the importer does. The funny part is , its still gonna be cheaper to build things in china, and pay the tariff than it is to make a factory in the united states and pay wages and benefits here. So shit will just get more expensive, simple as.

Sure seems that way. That one ESL is hoppin mad, I tell you whut
Also, checked

Now post the wages for said jobs.

negotiating power for the lower working class

Literally zero whites will take these positions.

you dont have to believe me, you will just have to pay more for shit , lol . Like i said no sweat off my back, now trump just needs to give me my tax break.

The funniest thing is how people making the least amount of money want to defend more taxes on themselves while higher earners get tax breaks and less impacts.

You forget there are other countries than China, with lower tariff rates. It's a massive dynamic and your attempts at reductionism are obviously retarded.

This isn't even getting into the fact that it's far more beneficial to keep the money contained within the US economy than to send it to China. It finds its way back to the consumer when it is recycled within the domestic American economy, the alternative is getting bled out.

They say as you get older you become more right-wing, but the older I get the more frustrated I get how many options giant corporations have to avoid tax legally while the individual is basically fucked.

I already pay more for shit, dumbfuck. You guys act like there's this big looming inflation giant, motherfucker we have been living in it. And I got mass job loss and mass immigration on top of that. Imagine pretending like any of your criticisms hold lmao right now we're actually bordering on DEFLATION.

I agree 100%. Only those people who pay taxes should be allowed to vote in the first place. Imagine giving to vote for more gibs to all the leeches who don’t work themself

So you want to send manufacturing to vietnam instead of china . lol . how is that gonna fix american manufacturing or keep money here?

The people making money were american corporations that were paying chinese to make cheap shit and then selling it for high profits to americans.
Your understanding of how the economy works is retarded to put it lightly.
I think there are valid points to keep tariffs on things necessary for national security like steal and cars. But that comes with the understanding that prices will increase for those things.

30% tax on imports, prices increase, simple as.