Uhh... anons. China is not backing down. Should Trump call Xi?

so trve my pede brother we really need to manufacture more minerals

Nobody in America wants to work in factories except for illegal latinxes whom you voted for Trump to get rid of

China is going to crumble before the month of April is even over. They have ZERO cards. NONE. America is the #1 global consumer on the planet and no other country comes even close.

At least legal immigrants are being deported

Don't worry, the US can just buy manufactured goods (china pays the tariffs), take out the minerals and use those to manufacture goods

Nobody is being deported at this point except random people who show up at the border with tattoos and look sufficiently brown

You are stupid

Actually plenty of people would like to work in a factory. This used to be a manufacturing powerhouse before the Dems sold us out and sent manufacturing overseas

We literally can't compete with China with our current society and culture. The idea of America being the worlds factory is dead, this is a nation of scammers now and all the skills and moral character are gone.

Nobody in America wants to work in factories

You say that because you are a limp wristed libtard or a Jew. America was all about manufacturing before we offshored our industries

Trump is fixing that

What exactly was the point of the US bringing back manufacturing? Why does this necessitate ditching US allies and starting a trade war?
Is it really just culture war bs about how factories make you manly?

this is a nation of scammers now and all the skills and moral character are gone

but enough about china

Make iPhone in United States cost mirrions of dorrars, it better for you to make in China. Grobal trade make you happy. 1950s was bad time in United States, people very miserabre

Lol shut the fuck up wumao
There's nothing a chink can do that an American can't do 10x better. Your people were starving to death some 60 years ago before capitulating to liberalism

Actually people love being whores, I used to have a whorehouse before prettier whores took their jobs.

Because you can't be a sovereign country if you don't produce everything you need. That includes manufacturing.

America has all the natural resources, human capital and expertise to manufacture anything it wants. There's no reason we should be dependent on a global supply chain that could be easily disrupted during times of global turmoil, such as war or catastrophic events

Without American manufacting, there can be no America First

We literally can't compete

Real patriots will never doubt American spirit. With a strong leader like Donald J Trump steering the ship, we can never lose, and you will never convince me otherwise.

Notice how you couldn't prove me wrong. How are you going to create "factory america" if you won't take a paycut and work in worse conditions? Everyone will just buy from China instead. Unless your plan is to create an autarky and only sell to yourself and build up production in America, but I don't see Trumps jews going along with that? He gets mad that nobody is buying everything from America.

See graph. The difference is minimal.

comparing honest manufacturing work to prostitution

It's always the little things

So the plan is that if you worship Trump hard enough his administration will stop being populated by scamming jews and parasites and they'll put together an actual industrial policy that will result in sustainable factories?

his administration will stop being populated by scamming jews and parasites

this was never the case to begin with. it sounds more like you're describing the Democraps

Where does cutting ties with all your allies come into this?

There's no need for a paycut. Germany is a manufacturing powerhouse and it has one of the highest minimum wages and median wages in Europe.

America is doing manufacturing the smart way, with automation and AI and smart supply chains.

WE ARE NOT BRINGING SWEATSHOPS TO AMERICA. THAT WAS NEVER THE PLAN.
TRUMP NEVER SAID HE WAS BRINGING SWEATSHOPS TO AMERICA.
I NEVER SAID THAT.
NOBODY EVER SAID THAT.
THAT IS SOMETHING THAT WAS NEVER THE PLAN AND ONLY EXISTS IN YOUR TRANNOID IMAGINATION.
WE DON'T NEED SLAVE LABOR AND CHILD LABOR IN ORDER TO PRODUCE CHEAP SHOES.
DO YOU UNDERSTAND THAT?

Unless your plan is to create an autarky and only sell to yourself and build up production in America

America has the largest consumer market on Earth. Even if we didn't sell a single manufactured item to foreigners, we would still have demand for a gigantic manufacturing complex.

German factory wages are not good even for Germany.

That's because after offshoring, only bad manufacturing works remained in America. Once we bring back manufacturing, there will be good jobs and people will feel motivated and remoralized about these jobs

China could do this at any point in time. Proves itself. Anybody who disagrees is a ching chong, retard, anti american or combo of the three.

Poe's law. Use some emojis, man

If migatards didn't worship poverty we wouldn't be in this mess. Imagine wanting to give up service economy to be a slave in a factory, not that there will be any factories abyway.

Uh, sweety, the service economy is the slave economy. Factories are all staffed by well paid union workers with collective bargaining agreements.

Service economy is le bad because women have these jobs, bring back the coal mines NOW

I'd give it some time until those unions are completely neutered, the GOP have historically been really well known for their pro-union policies.

Service economy is le bad because women have these jobs

Imagine using this video as an argument, this is why you retards lost and Trump is going to win a third term lmao.

Which is why you protect industries that would be critical in times of global turmoil (something the US and every other country does) and let the slop be manufactured elsewhere. Do you really need fidget spinners and vape pens manufactured domestically?

I'm not sure if you are an office cuck allergic to manual work or an unironic wumao, but the fact is manufacturing is coming back to America whether you like it or not. Americans voted for this.

If fake office cunt HR jobs were to vanish during this transition, it would only be a bonus

The US has no steel industry, no onshore semiconductor industry, no machine tools industry... all of these are critical. We need to reshore it ASAP.

Liar

How long until factories are fully functional?

America will use FUSION—big, powerful, and clean—to create ALL of the RARE EARTH MINERALS. No more depending on China for these precious treasures. We’ll have the BEST, the RAREST, the MOST AMAZING minerals—made right here in the USA! #MAGA #EnergyDominance

The US has no steel industry

The US is the third largest steel producer globally. Semiconductors fabs were being built, 4th largest producer of machine tools. You're just flat out wrong.

Chips and fine electronics should be 2 years. Auto industry will take more time.

It is not enough. We need to be fully independent on these.

Fuck, the CCP propagandists are running on full steam. Look wang you can post this same thread 1000 more times and nobody will fall for it. We know there is no other place that will willingly buy your cheap garbage products like the usa. Europe is currently passing regulations in order to keep you from dimping it on them and im sure the rest of the world is following. We here in the usa are fine not dealing with China anymore, the city fags might cry for a few weeks but they are like goldfish. They will forget about this while korea or India or Africa fills the void. After we get through the next few weeks , your out wang, and Mumbai or ramjeet is in FOREVER.

How are they different than your miggers propagandists tho?
This whole thing is a fucking circus.

Nobody worships trump, but how has communism and strict govt censorship been going for your country? They start eating each other yet? No. Well give it a year that will change.

God watching you shills and fags reee is making my dick hard.

I don't think you know as much as you think you do. But yea we do need to bring more here.

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China is just ducking itself. It needs to sell it’s products, it’s not like they are a rich country with leverage. If they are not profiting and their gdp goes down the average chink will be living in 3rd world conditions

And until then, the prices will increase, right?

Because maga are actually ppl that believe in something. You shills are paid in one way or another to astroturf and gaslight with no real belief in anything. Tell me if xi wasn't holding your family hostage would you be here posting on this Mongolian basket weaving forum?

Isn't this very anti-American? WTF?

If they are not profiting and their gdp goes down the average chink will be living in 3rd world conditions

China *is* a third world country, anon

Nobody worships trump

Because maga are actually ppl that believe in something.

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already moving the goalposts from "no steel industry" to "must be #1"

Your beliefs change on a dime. You have no real beliefs beyond worshiping trump and following everything he says.

America is an open country, anon. We can't outright deny reality and make propaganda based on fake numbers because we are mostly transparent and liable to being scrutinized by third parties.

China, on the other hand, is a dictatorship. They can lie out of their asses and not be held accountable. The UN has no access to the country. Who really knows what's going on in China? Are their GDP and population figures trustworthy? How could we know?

The very first American president had a Masonic cult of personality

My assertion from the very beginning was that we need sovereignity and independence.

100% economic independence is literally impossible unless you want to significantly lower living standards and wealth.

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And 300 years ago basically everyone was a dirt-grubbing subsistence farmer, do you think that means anyone would like to go back to that?

We can't outright deny reality and make propaganda based on fake numbers

Who won in 2020?

after offshoring, only bad manufacturing works remained in America

This is the stupidest shit i've read this month. You have no idea what the fuck you're talking about.

In America? Yes, it's possible. We are a continental nation with acess to two oceans, all kinds of biomes, all kinds of minerals, the best universities in the world, the largest railway network, etc etc. We can and should become economically independent. It would be a magnificent thing that would benefit all Americans

Non-sequitur. Come back when you have an actual counter-argument

Nobody worships trump

youtube.com/watch?v=2O1Mhkq3I5E

No, retard, we fucking don't. Holy shit you people are a dangerous combination of double digit iq and insane.

How is subsistence farming analogous to manufacturing? Are you actually retarded?

Manufacturing is essential to the 21st century way of living. We need industry and industrial goods.

Name one essential product or industrial good America is incapable of producing by itself.

How is subsistence farming analogous to manufacturing?

It's analogous in the sense that it's a thing people used to do, which is literally the only argument you have produced for why anyone in America would want shitty factory jobs.

Manufacturing is essential to the 21st century way of living. We need industry and industrial goods.

Cool, then you do it. Otherwise I, and every other American, would prefer it be done by subhumans overseas so we can do actually comfortable work.

essential

Oh boy here we go, now you faggots are gonna post communist autarky speeches about how the glorious people's republic of israel doesn't need tropical fruits or "gadgets" or whatever the fuck.

You have literally 0 arguments except feelings and emotions. You people are wrong about everything, every single time, for this precise reason.

The China tantrum is going to be kino.

MAGA =/= Bush-era GOP.

Mitt Romney left for a reason.

How many people died of covid in China?
How many poor people are there in China?
How many people were killed in China for criticizing Winnie the Pooh? How many Americans were killed for criticizing Trump or any other American president?

Americans are free. Even the deranged ones. China is a nation of slaves.

If you want to cheer for a nation of slaves, go ahead. But I think you should brush up on your history, and remind yourself of the types of values that built the West.

we already have trouble finding enough people to grow our food and work in the factories we already have

not nearly enough natural resources to replace the rest of the world

but america totally has tons of labor secretly waiting on the sidelines to work in shitty jobs to replace the rest of the fucking world

You're fucking retarded

He already called Xi 57 times

that it's a thing people used to do

Manufacturing is not "a thing people used to do". Civilization never moved past industry, you tard. Computers and cars and medical equipment don't magically appear out of thin air. Your office cuck job can't replace these vital industries. What the fuck, anon? Am I being baited?

All this talk about China vs US... I just have to ask... What's the worst part about Japanese soldiers eating Chinese soldiers? They're hungry again an hour later.

nations act unfriendly toward US

republicans accept reality instantly

dems live in denial

Nice chart you massive faggot.

Do it. Name one product America can't produce by itself.

If you can't provide a single example, I'll have to assume your opposition to the idea of a sovereign, autonomous America is merely ideological instead of rational and based on facts.

Sorry nigga we canceled the world's largest particle accelerator to build more overpasses.
Maybe try the EU

ayo i dindu nuffin!

America truly is a nation of niggers.

Cool have fun being a "north dakota vanilla farmer". I'm sure you'll grow lots of tropical fruit there!

Name one essential product or industrial good America is incapable of producing by itself.

Champagne
Wagyu
Parmeggiano
Buffala
Swiss watches
Scotch whisky
Humility

I, and every other American, would prefer it be done by subhumans oversea

Those figures check out. Over half of the primary school population in the US is represented by demographics that can't read or do basic math. We have plenty of subhumans to build iPhones right here without the cost of shipping around the planet and dealing with unfriendly nations.

Computers and cars and medical equipment don't magically appear out of thin air

Correct, they are made and assembled by third-world subhumans somewhere that I don't care about who are worked like slaves and paid almost nothing so that I can then buy them for extremely low prices.

This setup benefits me IMMENSELY because it means I:
1. Don't need to do hard, boring labor to produce them myself
2. Don't need to condemn people in my own country who I care about to do hard, boring labor to produce them
3. Don't need to pay the prices these things would cost if they were produced by Americans who were paid decently and weren't worked to the bone like thirdie sweat-shop workers.

You want to destroy this setup because of some paranoid delusion where America is held hostage over these things or because you have retarded boomer nostalgia.

Never seen a first world country this much eager to just go back.

This. Another strategic advantage we got out of this tariff conundrum is that we finally have hard proof that European nations are not fully allied to us and would swap American loyalty for some Chink goods if they could.

Why the fuck would you ally with someone who attacks and threatens you for no reason?

Vanilla and tropical fruit?

Are these the hindrances to American sovereignity?

You can't be serious lmao

But we were allied until you threathened Groenland, insulted us many times and slapped us tariffs. Technically we're still allies but it's getting hard honestly.

Until they end right to work in red states they're still the same bush-era republicans

Trump seems to think so lol

Omg, how will Tifanny from accounts payable survive without her glass of Chandon?

Quick, Trump, cancel the tariffs! We depend on these essential products!

We don't have enough minerals either.
Or the labor. You are not going to find the millions of people who desperately want to work in textiles and iphone factories, they don't exist. Spics need to be imported just for agriculture, the most basic necessity.

Currently you're sovereign and rich but in a year or so you'll be sovereign and poor like every other nation. The reserve currency was the only thing special about your country.

This anon was right : >Oh boy here we go, now you faggots are gonna post communist autarky speeches about how the glorious people's republic of israel doesn't need tropical fruits or "gadgets" or whatever the fuck.
Non-sequitur.

>Name one essential product or industrial good America is incapable of producing by itself.

Champagne

the types of values that built the West.

The US has nothing to do with those values anymore

I've posted more but okay. I mean, by this logic China can also manufacture everything and EU can also manufacture everything so we just produce for ourselves and never trade anymore.
We don't need USA as much as you don't need us.

WHY
WON'T
YOU
FUCKING
CALL

You told me America can't be economically independent.

In return, I asked you to provide a single (1) example of an essential product America is incapable of producing on its own.

All you could come up with was bananas and champagne. Unironically.

I think it's very clear what it going on.

You voted for Trump because you think you're gonna be rich right?

hey retard

Have fun producing products on your own. Works great.

You told me America can't be economically independent.

Were have I said that?
Aren't you already economically independent anyways? I mean you're the richest nation on earth.
The thing is, you want your cake and eat it.
You want to be the world currency, have cheap goods, be an exporting nation with 0 trade deficit...All while staying number 1. Well, to do that it would need to retaliations from others countries who should just accept to make it more difficult for themselves and more easy for the americans and it's not happening.

Haha you ACTUALLY believe it? That makes it even worse

Because maga are actually ppl that believe in something.

Hilarious because this is of course the exact opposite of the truth.
migafags believe in literally nothing, which is how they're able to reprogram themselves from one day to another when their cult leader changes opinion and tells them that they now have to accept the exact opposite of what he told them yesterday

it's robots and AI moron; he who makes them wins.

Unless your plan is to create an autarky

What the fuck is an autarky? Is this new zoomer slang to compensate being so braindead to the point that having to remember complicated words with 10 letters hurts their head?

Enough about your mother. This is Anon Babble, not Anon Babble

Your service economy is slowly eradicating your purchasing and economic power. You went from dominating the top 4 economies in the world to being overtaken by China and barely surpassing the following 3. But keep up with cushy desk jobs, I'm sure when your currency is dethroned from reserve status those jobs are going to do you really good.

a strong border

tariffs

no DEI

no trannies

America First

Trump has been consistent in these beliefs since 2016.
All the supposed changes of opinion only happened in your head (via fake news)

Imagine defending the idea of a 'service economy'... whatever the fuck that even is.. think about it for 2 seconds you retard... it's not sustainable.

you guys go from "it's just a negotiation tactic" to "it's permanent and that's a good thing" every other day

This. We are able to reshore our industries without losing competitiveness because we lead bots and AI.

Libtards and wumaos actually believe we want sweatshops in America lmao

If you could already do that then why haven't you?

Is every leftist a single entity too? So you belive in like 500000 genders and fully support MAPs and satan worship?

Economic illiteracy award
History illiteracy award
Political illiteracy award
Global relations in post WW2 world illiteracy award
Literally too dumb to inherit the USA award

a strong border

lmao, pic related

tariffs

depends on if it's an odd day or an even day

no DEI

Meaning and his bud elon are going to import moutains of jeets. You aren't one of them "woke" right people are you?

no trannies

Trannies are still a thing, he's done next to nothing about them

America First

to die for israel
trumpwhitehouse.archives.gov/briefings-statements/president-donald-j-trump-stands-americas-cherished-ally-israel/

but what about the workers then?

so whats the excuse when he inevitably flip flops back to no tariffs again or we just gonna get the same tired "art of the deal" type of tard shit again

Where are all of the miggers that get angry whenever trump reverses tariffs? Where is all the outrage?

If America build modern factories, the wages would be higher than those of Germany, Poland, Canada or the U.K. if Americans don't take the jobs (they will) you could get decent immigrants for a change.

You lost your AI lead in like 10 seconds to a small chinese company. What's AI even going to manufacture anyway?

Explain how that works. Why would these factories pay more than the factories we already have?

if you voted for trump you are a stupid cuck and your cheeto god keeps embarrassing himself and by extension you

Border encounters are at the lowest level on record.

Trump secured the border and it only took him two months and some tariffs on Mexico and Canada.

Soon we'll start hearing reports about a sharp fall in fentanyl-related deaths, too.

Of course Americans will want these jobs. Do you really think Timmy wants to work 7-11 instead of going to tech school and earning $50 an hour?

I predict a boom in engineering/technical education in the near future, in order to accomodate all the demand for qualified workers.

They're only perceived as shitty jobs because migrants were allowed to flood into the country. And since they're undocumented, there's no tax trail, which allows the jobs to take advantage and pay them less than $20/day.
Remove the migrants, and the reputation will return to respectable, fair paying jobs that more Americans would consider working.

Are you talking about Deepseek? It was all fake. They bought billions in Nvidia hardware like everyone else. Their models are not better in any way.

so what you're saying is you're fine with them coming over, as long as it's done legally?
The memes write themselves, no wonder even Anon Babbletards can't stand you idiots so you have to run to your gay little circlejerk general

oh dont worry theyve already switched back to the "muh american manufacturing jobs" bit even though they dropped that not even 3 days ago

honestly id rather just have the stupid fuck democrats back since i wouldnt have to watch this orange retard embarrass the us economy while his retarded cult members on here keep parroting that it's the "shart of the deal" or whatever their dear leader told them to say this week

They don't have to be better if they're hundreds to thousands of times cheaper. If they're parity but inexpensive, that's a deathblow to investors. "Why did we pay for all that shit then" running rampant.

Yeah no, there are not tons of people who would love to work in the fields if only some spic didn't steal their job.

Running a nigger woman who was already so unpopular that she performed like shit in the primaries was so fucking retarded. This was after they picked a senile old man who had trouble speaking. It's like they go out of their way to pick the absolute worst candidates possible and then wonder why they lose.

There's been no substantial change to legal immigration policy. H1B visas remain capped at 65k visas/fiscal year, the same level it has been since 1990

Trump yells at NATO that they don't spend enough (sure, okay, don't think it's worth giving up the soft power our military spending affords, but I get it)

EU countries say "Okay, we'll build up our defensive forces, now please leave"

"Oh and we are going to use our own industries to do it, we don't want to contract American"

WAIT NO STOP

But also fuck you we're going to annex Greenland

and also here are big fucking "reciprocal" tariffs. Yes, the math is nonsensical, but fuck you

Who was unfriendly towards who?

They are not cheaper. That's what I just told you. They invested billions in Nvidia AI tech like everyone else.

Have fun (((manufacturing))) rare earth minerals.

We have rare earths deposits that are enough for a self-sufficient high tech industry. We don't invest in mining, separation and processing because of all the environmental legislation and because it's cheaper getting it from China and Ukraine. Trump is changing that.

We have rare earths deposits that are enough for a self-sufficient high tech industry.

Yeah, and California and [Insert State Here] is going to let you blow up their land and pollute their water tomorrow to supplant a supply we already get for pennies on the dollar.

This board is 18+ you fucking childish retard.

Tree huggers won't get in the way of progress. Their time is over

Counterpoint: Literally every mining concern ever sought in recent US history

You have two years to institute your retarded fantasy absolute maximum. If you think you can stand up a series of Rare Earth mines pockmarking the State of California in less than two years, all while immolating the national economy without repercussions or pushback then you are a genuine fucking moron and not even worth speaking to.

Even if they don't, counter-tariffs and a lack of investment will.
And that "progress" would just amount to going back to your current standard of living after you ruined it with tariffs.

is it really that much better to be a burger flipper than doing clean work in a factory? theres not enough of kind of jobs for everyone

china shoots itself in the foot again

"TAKE THAT, AMERICA!"

ok