Cs career fair cancelled at community college because no companies reached out

As someone who has come into a data role at a company with this mentality setting up their SalesForce platform: fuck you.

O_o

I work at a big firm and within a few years most of our internal tools will be AI powered. AI has essentially already made everything "stupid proof". There are idiots drafting high-quality correspondence and firms are using AI to automate audit, tax and consultancy work. Most work is now reviewed by AI instead of humans. You have no idea what's coming.

It might be that I have no idea what's coming, but my lens is from the engineering side of big tech. AI simply doesn't "just do it" for us, but I could believe it at somewhere like Deloitte which has its consultants engaged in a higher quantity of more trivial interactions.

What do you think is coming if you had to distill it to a sentence?

what's your definition of "AI"? ML and statistical models have been standard in audit and tax for... decades lmfao. I can definitely see LLM's taking over consulting though which is effectively just selling buzzwords to executives.

Are you talking about GitHubs pr bots? Kek

AI is reviewing my work

I can get AI to cobble together code

coding is literally telling a machine what you want it to do
does it remind you of anything?

I also work at a big firm. We're using AI to automate brain surgery, rocketship design, harvesting the foreskins of children, and the jobs of guys like this. You (the person I'm responding to) have no idea what's coming.

My firm has signed contracts with all of the major GenAI companies, and we're even selling it on their behalf (and of course our services at the same time). Clients don't need perfection, as long as it runs, it's fine. Tech work will be done by our offshore teams, and AI, and a manager in the West will review it. There's no longer a need for companies to have big cost centres. Big tech is probably immune, but soon insourcing IT support, HR, legal, etc will be a thing of the past.

Up until recently we've never been able to automate the scraping of massive sets of PDFs and spreadsheets and throwing everything into complex fin statements and tax computations by coding keywords and training models on international legislation, all with 99% accuracy. The tools are so stupidly cheap to use. Tech consulting is absolutely not buzzwords, there is significant demand to automate processes or to build products more cheaply with GenAI because our clients want to downsize.

I'm talking about cutting heads and reducing the chain of processes. Grunt work no longer needs to be done by grunts. New hires are a waste of cash.

Damn, bro that's crazy. Can't wait for junior doctors to operate on my brain with their "10 years of experience AI"

Up until recently we've never been able to automate the scraping of massive sets of PDFs and spreadsheets and throwing everything into complex fin statements and tax computations by coding keywords and training models on international legislation,

this was the whole "big data" push of the mid 2010's

all with 99% accuracy

no comment lol

The tools are so stupidly cheap to use.

because it's entirely funded by VC's trying to get people addicted

Tech consulting is absolutely not buzzwords, there is significant demand to automate processes or to build products more cheaply with GenAI because our clients want to downsize.

tech consulting, especially when you recommend GenAI, is entirely buzzwords
AI (meaning LLM's I'm assuming) is like the last step in automation, and so many companies haven't even figured out the basics of setting up data warehouses effectively. With shit inputs you get shit out, except now with the added risk of just trusting a model that puts out a response with the appearance of reasoning even if it's wrong. I'm sure it'll find good use in the future, but right now it is peddled by grifters as a solution for everything.

Clients don't need perfection, as long as it runs,

Thanks for the response. I see which segment of the market you're commenting on more clearly now I think.
This kind of "just get something that runs" type work is a bunch of jobs, while being distinct from "big tech" where a relatively high level of reliability/uptime/ongoing support/cross-integration is still the norm

That said, if there's any hope for those jobs, we already considered SWE consultations to be a bit of a meme when I witnessed one while in-house somewhere in 2018. May it just become a meme that "leverages AI" but still pays out to its workers?

this was the whole "big data" push of the mid 2010's

Lol this isn't compiling some big spreadsheets

no comment lol

You don't have to believe me, but I've seen it. Entire teams that do very little because their work is done before it gets to them. Now these firms are going to provide these solutions across markets.

I'm sure it'll find good use in the future, but right now it is peddled by grifters as a solution for everything.

The solutions are being created everyday and everyone is sleepwalking into industry-wide job losses

Lol this isn't compiling some big spreadsheets

Big data is literally all about building ML models on massive datasets

You don't have to believe me

I don't because 99% was an asspull number

The solutions are being created everyday and everyone is sleepwalking into industry-wide job losses

seeing you brag about offshoring US jobs for automation is embodying everything I hate about you disgusting consultant creatures.

Big data is literally all about building ML models on massive datasets

I'm talking about how cheaply these products and processes can be created, who gives a shit about the models they're based on?

I don't because 99% was an asspull number

The only significant issue we see is the software going down, or a new situation that needs adding to the bank. Once the process is up and running there are few to no errors as we account for most possibilities in the data. Over time we don't see anything new unless legislation changes. Again, don't believe me.

seeing you brag about offshoring US jobs for automation is embodying everything I hate about you disgusting consultant creatures.

Who is bragging? We're fucked and everyone still thinks AI is a meme

I was thinking it’s weird because I’ve been to career fairs where the company wasn’t hiring but sent an employee there to keep up good relations with the school.

It seems like relationships with that school are worthless

There are plenty of businesses that just can’t offshore development to jeets because the domain is too important and too complicated for third worlders to get right. I’ve seen what happens when they try. A significant percent of healthcare software in the US falls into this category imo. You can offshore simple software development, but most companies that are doing real numbers don’t run on simple software. In fact most of them are running on legacy software that is only fully understood by two or three boomers who did the greenfield work on it 10 years ago.

Yea, this anon gets it. Some of us have been around long enough to know how this goes.

I'm talking about how cheaply these products and processes can be created, who gives a shit about the models they're based on?

Guys like you don’t understand the actual cost of the shortcuts you sell because you’ve never been anywhere long enough to realize it. I remain skeptical

the internet is just a fad

there is literally no point in getting a degree if not from a top school

are YOU tech worker?
it's always non tech people saying this stuff

wtf are you talking about? The context is consultant anon telling us LLMs will replace software dev. AI will find its niche, but it’s not a panacea

Theres no point at all because you can lie and fake your degree and nobody will verify it. Literally every indian does this

. A significant percent of healthcare software in the US falls into this category imo.

spoken like someone that isnt in healthcare tech lmao! My friend works for a subsidiary of the largest health insurance company in USA and its basically ran by indians. They hire workers in the mainland india (30k+) and ship h1b visas to America too, almost forming a mini colony in apartments near their offices . I feel like legacy companies are MORE likely to rely on indian workers, not less. They have to resources to build offices there and lay down roots.

My field is awesome

it's like all the other engineering fields, but all of the equipment and raw materials are free

I just need someone to give me a job

weak bloodline

IT

You have no idea what you’re talking about.

Muh AI

You really have no idea what you’re talking about, lol.

Trying to explain tech-debt to a salesnigger is a lot cause. They’re almost as retarded as MBAs. Almost.

See the problem with you low iq subhumans is you take 1 graph out of context and then you use that graph for your confirmation bias for the next 10 years.
Simply put, you simply aren't intelligent enough to understand the things you are talking about.
For a low iq subhuman like you, "AI" aka a machine learning algorithm can't do anything you couldn't do before. The fact you think machine learning will replace all these jobs is because you are low iq I don't even understand I could already replace someone as worthless as you with a simple script that I wrote myself, no AI involved.

It's over.

if I put it through 2-3 platforms I'm sure I can create something half usable.

lol

We're using AI to automate brain surgery

Cosmetic surgeon here, we tried that at my surgical center but this patient sued us after her breast enlargement because she didn't want a second head growing there.

? I can get AI to cobble together code

I can tell you dont build anything.

Boeing did that 30 years ago, and look where it is now.

I have a friend still working there. He's making incredible amounts of money because he's the only person left from the project we worked on together (yes I'm old), and he's the only person on the planet who still understands the codebase. Yes, they could pull in a dozen pajeets and try to train them on it. No, they won't succeed, because the pajeets can't figure out anything useful.

I remember back a decade ago when all the futurist software "engineer" reddit type fags on Anon Babble and here where telling us how they would automate truckers, doctors and whores.
Meanwhile in reality they're the first and fastest replaced workforce, some delicious irony here.

dude my friends company already has 30k+ indian employees like I already said. I would not be surprised if its closer to 80-100k in total. All his coworkers, managers, etc are indian too

Meanwhile in reality they're the first and fastest replaced workforce

LOL nope. Software employment is crashing right now because it always does at the start of a recession. Programmers are invariably considered a "cost center" by the beancounters and so new projects get cancelled and programming jobs get slashed. Meanwhile the beancounters think that the sales staff is a "profit center" so they try to add sales staff or at least flog them harder.

AI seriously cannot into programming. There was a pretty funny Plobbit post a few months ago by someone trying to use AI to "code" a trial-and-error crypto wallet unlocking program that he'd lost part of the seed phrase for. He had ChatGPT "code" it for him, then tried running it, and it failed of course. Then he dug through the code and found out that ChatGPT hadn't even included the cryptographic function calls that would be necessary to transform the seed into private keys. The only reason he knew that was because he knew how to do the programming himself, he just figured it would save him time and he wanted to try it.

In the end it probably took him twice as long, with repeatedly going back to ChatGPT and then analyzing the garbage it spat out, but he was finally able to get it running -- only because he knew how to code already.

AI can generate some limited frameworks, but you can already do that using Visual Studio or any other major code-authoring system.

As far as automating driving, it can be done in limited ways, but to do it right, we'd really need separate limited-access roads. Not because the AI-controlled vehicles suck, but because all the human drivers are idiots.

Yeah, I know, I understand that. Boeing moved nearly 100% of its software development to India in the late 1990s. And they are becoming utterly fucked because of it.

Legacy systems like the one I and my friend worked on are the backbone of the company. They literally cannot deliver aircraft without that system running, and at this point he's the only person on the entire fucking planet who knows how to keep it going. And the poos are too fucking incompetent to figure it out. Boeing has tried.

I don't know what's worse, the faggots who don't understand that the current "AI" can't ever wholesale replace programmers, or the faggot coders who don't understand that this tech is still a productivity multiplier that reduces overall demand for programmers.
Some will be honest and say something along the lines of "lol ofc you have to be John Carmack tier to work in this business right now, if you're not you deserve to fail". I just wish they'd consider what will happen when that is the case in an increasing number of occupations and industries, and what will happen when the non-Carmacks get tired of this shit.

I'm a junior and AI does not help me or impact my work at all. It's good enough for writing SQL queries, but it fails at everything else. Recently we had a teeny tiny problem with artifact deployment and neither our own AI nor ChatGPT could even get close to the answer. The people who are in real trouble are the writers. I used to be a translator and AI has decimated that industry. I feel no fear about AI impacting my programming work though.
Also, I have no CS education and I'm in my first coding job that I found in January this year with no experience. I recommend checking out Boomhauer's pick-up strategy and apply it to job hunting lmao

The problem is the entire economy is fucked, not just tech. It's been propped up by government money and lies for years

I have made shit with AI code. It does like 90% of the work for you, the rest is bug fixing. I use it all the fucking time. Nerds always say "but it can't replace my human intuition!" It just sounds like you really haven't played around with it or understand how easy it is now for complete noobs to produce software.

I dont know what went wrong for boeing but UHG is extremely dominant, they have virtually 0 competition. Outsourcing their devs to india hasn't backfired yet and I'm not sure if it ever will.

For some fields AI is working, but for other it's a fucking disaster. I'm studying mech engineering and people in my group are literal fucking imbeciles. Like no jokes, 90 IQ max. They use AI for everything and uni actually encourages it. Imagine a guy making a presentation and this presentation is a complete nonsense, because he literally just prompted "make a presentation about [thing]." Guy says words that don't make sense together or the presentation is about completely different thing altogether. And you look at the teacher who tries super hard to make it seems like everything is alright because it is an international student from India and government pays universities money per international student graduated.