If all Trump wanted to do was tariff China more, and renegotiate trade deals with other countries, then why didn't he just... do that? Why did he announce a bunch of fake tariff numbers, with fake retaliatory tariffs only to pause them all after a week.
I don't think it was Art of the Deal folks
Trump is trying to eliminate chinese influence in canada and mexico. wake up anon.
china struck at the heart of the beast (bond yields) and dealt a fatal blow. US hegemony is finished
He can do that in Mexico but not in canada. Canada has way too many Chinese people.
Then why did the blanket tariffs not apply to Canada and Mexico
Why did he announce tariffs on Madagascar and Vietnam
lets find out, he's clearly going for both. at least (You) recognize it. also i'm not sure how many chinese canadians are from hong kong or how many are taiwanese. both of those areas are huge weaknesses for the ccp, as was seen right before COVID.
you wouldn't get it, Trump is simply too high IQ for you
because US has other ways to exert direct influence to the border nations and because US actually wants a good relationship (more control of) with both of them in the end. but ccp must be dealt with first.
Then why didn't he just apply the tariffs to China from day 1, why announce the fake blanket tariffs in the first place
Are you a bot?
Trump is actually doing this
Trump is actually doing that
I'm seeing a new excuse each time. I still don't know what Trump is doing. Nobody knows what he is doing.
ART
They are making it up as they go along.
MAGA retards just add whatever reasoning as cope.
I guess its not the 4d chess play to refinance US debt as they were harping on about either...
because ccp is not going to be completely eliminated. US just wants to remove ccp influence from our borders. therefore everything is about leverage and negotiations.
Okay, then why were Canada and Mexico excluded from the blanket tariffs
What does tariffing Madagascar have to do with that? How is tariffing Vietnam going to help with that, wasn't the whole point of companies moving manufacturing to Vietnam, so that they don't have to manufacture in China?
it's been like that for years since Trump and removing ccp from the west is not new, same with removing islam. but they aren't the only reasons, just in the interest of national security (control) it's safe to assume they are a major influence on these events.
They aren't fake. They're just delayed. Trump is still going to create more jobs in the industrial sector for the white middle class.
Amateur hour analysis. Let me explain this slowly so even the Robinhood crowd can follow:
You’re mistaking the public theater for the negotiation.
Trump understands - perhaps better than anyone in living memory - that the threat is the leverage.
He dropped the "fake numbers" (as you call them) to accelerate the concession cycle without fully deploying the shockwave. It's called optionality.
Markets don't price intention, they price perception.
The temporary "pause" you mock? It's the equivalent of tightening the vice grip while letting the mark believe you're loosening it. It’s textbook deal sequencing: escalate, extract, de-escalate on your terms.
Meanwhile, supply chains are being redrawn in real-time, capital flight is leaving China, allies are recalculating dependencies, and Trump hasn’t even spent political capital yet.
He’s renting your panic for free.
You’re still watching the board, he’s moving the table.
china and vietnam is very complicated and not my expertise but the little bit i know is that ccp exerts extreme influence over them and has them in a chokehold in most cases. madagascar is basically in this same situation.
regarding canada and mexico, i already answered that.
Ummmmmm sorry sweetie
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escalate, extract, de-escalate on your terms
He literally de-escalate before any of "his terms" were met
You still haven't answered at all how announcing blanket tariffs on countries like Madagascar and Vietnam, then pausing them, helps with this. What about the Heard and McDonald Islands, what about the British Indian Ocean territory, what about countries we have a trade surplus with like Australia, Brazil, and the UK. You just went "uhhh it's all very complicated China's influence is complicated" yeah you have no idea what you're talking about
Could've still accomplished that by announcing large tariffs on China from the very beginning, then offering to renegotiate them down. This isn't a "deep strategy" this is very textbook. The problem is if you escalate too much and then renegotiate too much the other party does not think you are good faith negotiator (ie if you go to a job interview, demand $100 per hour with the intent of negotiating it down the interviewer will think you're just retarded)
Is Canada closer to China now or before?
Do you guys actually believe this? Everyone is derisking for the US, and capital and companies (like Microsoft which cancelled a planned datacenter) are moving out rather than moving in. Everyone is starting to see your country as untrustworthy and even the fucking communist Chinese are starting to get sympathy points.
Not a single country has removed its counter-tariffs.
Nobody knows what he is doing.
least of all Trump
supply chains are being redrawn in real-time
Yeah companies are trying to deal with the shock of having to pay 125% more for whatever they've been buying
capital flight is leaving China
Lmao
allies are recalculating dependencies
Yeah to america aka the land of retards
Trump hasn’t even spent political capital yet
He just proved to the whole world how much of an unpredicatable retard he is, for free
You’re still watching the board, he’s moving the table
migatards are truly the dumbest retards on earth, they're inexplicably somehow even dumber than libtards
if i could make an assumption it would be to show vietnam and madagascar that they don't need to rely on china to have access to US consumers.
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The problem is if you escalate too much and then renegotiate too much the other party does not think you are good faith negotiator (ie if you go to a job interview, demand $100 per hour with the intent of negotiating it down the interviewer will think you're just retarded)
This is the crux of the issue, on the span of three months Trump has threatened to invade allies, has flip-flopped on tariffs several times over, lambasted foreign leaders, broke free trade agreements and WTO rules. So now countries don't trust anything he says because of all the schizo behaviour, if a "deal" is reached, how do you know he's gonna stick to it? Maybe he wants to fuck you over two months down the line because some random thing pissed him off.
This whole "acting erratic" and "making crazy demands" has its limits. Enemies eventually realize it's all bluster. Friends just get pissed off at you.
Thomas Massie
I just read up on this guy thanks to you. Wow! Seems like he's the only decent politician in the entire united states
i have no idea. i can say that china has been caught red handed extorting US government officials many times, so i would assume the influence level of the ccp in the west is far too high.
It's literally a bot btw
Same reason he told off Zelensky in the Oval Office. Because then he went crying to Europe and they offered to help him which is what we wanted all along for them to pull their own weight.
Same reason he called Kim fat little rocketman before becoming the first president to cross into NK.
Same reason he threatened to bomb the Kremlin and Iran, annex Greenland and Canada.
I think it should be called flashbang diplomacy. You shock and disorient before trying to get what you want.
Trump is peak DGAF. He'll take a fat shit on Xi's shoes while crashing the world economy, while telling everyone not to be yip yip babies.
He's not going to start a negotiate with a meeting request at someone's scheduled convenience. He's going to mock them for 2 years, burn their house down and then maybe he'll start negotiating.
Announce plan for universal 10% tariff
Everyone complains
Tariffs turn out to be 30+% instead
Everyone chimps out, its end of fucking world
Lowers Tariffs to 10% because your a good boy unlike chyna
Everyone now loves the lower 10% rate and feels special
Art of the deal my fren
BRO YOU REALLY THOUGHT THOSE TARIFFS WERE “FAKE”??
NAH MAN THAT WAS ***MAXIMUM BAIT***
TRUMP PULLED A LIQUIDITY FLUSH, PSYOP’D THE WHOLE MARKET, THEN BOUGHT THE DIP WHILE YOU WERE STILL WRITING YOUR GLOBOHOMO BLOG
WhY dIdN’t He JuSt Do It?
BRO HE *DID.*
THE INITIAL SLAP WAS JUST THE BAIT.
MARKETS PANIC, BIG MONEY SCOOPS UP CHEAPIES, THEN YOU PAUSE TO MAKE THE NPCs FEEL SAFE
NOW YOU RATCHET UP WHEN YOU *OWN THE FLOOR*
YOU CALL IT "FAKE" CUZ YOU’RE TOO DUMB TO SEE IT’S 4D CHESS
HE JERKED THE WORLD ECONOMY AROUND LIKE A JOYSTICK AND YOU JUST SAT THERE CLUELESS
SMART MONEY FRONT-RUNNING
NPCS HOLDING THE BAG
TRUMP PRINTING GENERATIONAL WEALTH WHILE YOU'RE FACT-CHECKING HIS MEMES
STAY POOR
I think the constant debate over whether he knows what he’s doing or not is truly a test of IQ, among other things, only to be revealed in time
Trump seems to thrive when he’s underestimated and he knows exactly how to make people underestimate him
Trump is trying to eliminate chinese influence in canada and mexico. wake up anon.
I see so that's why he got Japan, China and South Korea to form a trade alliance? That's why he started a trade war with the EU? You fucking vegtable.
Yeah this lasts for exactly one day before they start retaliating for 10% retard.
I think the constant debate over whether he knows what he’s doing or not is truly a test of IQ, among other things, only to be revealed in time
Trump seems to thrive when he’s underestimated and he knows exactly how to make people underestimate him
TRUMP PULLED A LIQUIDITY FLUSH, PSYOP’D THE WHOLE MARKET, THEN BOUGHT THE DIP WHILE YOU WERE STILL WRITING
yeah
Art of the deal my fren
You are not my fren tard
4 posts minutes within each other
Calm down pal
Why doesnt China continue doing that, then? Lets crash the US economy right away, if its that easy?
Are youon crack how did crashing the US stock markets like 1929 signal to any other leader anything more than Trumps a fucking retard. Which he fucking is. The only people who seem unablke to grasp that also seem to be fucking retarded.
Trump is just prenetding to be atard and humiliating america while wiping out pensions he's really just really really badly educated!
Incorrect. He de-escalated precisely because the terms were already in motion — not on paper, but in behavior.
Trade flows froze. Supply chains started rerouting. Foreign investment outflows from China accelerated before any formal concession. The moment tariffs were declared, risk models globally were recalibrated — CEOs in boardrooms from Berlin to Beijing began "voluntarily" reshaping their strategies to preempt further escalation.
This is what you fail to grasp: leverage isn't about waiting for an official signature. Leverage is about shifting the counterparty’s behavior before the ink is dry.
The bluff worked. He got price discovery, corporate panic, and global headlines at zero actual cost.
De-escalation wasn’t a surrender. It was a profit-taking exit from a successful opening position.
The man harvested maximum yield from implied volatility before a single deal was signed.
You’re watching tactics. He’s playing timing.
No - your analogy is naïve because you misunderstand the asset class Trump is trading.
This isn’t a salary negotiation. This is volatility harvesting at a sovereign scale. It's game theory on multiple fronts: market psychology, supply chain shock calibration, and adversarial signaling to allies and rivals simultaneously.
If he had started with "large tariffs from the very beginning," you get predictability. Predictability collapses optionality. You witnessed deliberate escalation to force maximum global risk repricing, not minimum entry-level negotiation. Every new announcement forces new algorithmic recalculations, new hedging, new capital flight, and new corporate boardroom panic. These are behavioral effects, not linear bargaining.
By iterating:
1. Initial announcement (lowball threat, tests global sensitivity).
2. Unexpected acceleration ("125%" and global tariffs = force majeure panic).
3. Pause and de-escalate ("90 days"): Capture peak volatility, harvest alpha, and trigger a relief rally.
He created an entire pricing cycle without needing a signed deal. He forced global counter-parties to show their hand early, without material U.S. cost.
If you think this is a "mistake" or "textbook," you’re viewing sovereign tactics like HR haggling over hourly rates. In reality, this is a structured option play at the national scale: implied threat pricing, forced repricing of adversary cost structures, and staged maneuvering room for future escalation.
This wasn’t a gaffe. It was a global gamma squeeze.
Bookmark this. You’ll come back to it.
Everyone is starting to see your country as untrustworthy and even the fucking communist Chinese are starting to get sympathy points.
Not a single country has removed its counter-tariffs.
The perennial mistake of conflating noise with narrative. What you’re witnessing is textbook turbulence during global supply chain realignment. These aren’t death throes; they’re growing pains. Capital is a coward in the short term and a vulture in the long term. It flees at the first hint of volatility, only to return hungrier once the policy fog clears.
The U.S. remains the consumption anchor of the global economy and the issuer of the world’s dominant reserve currency. Counter-tariffs? Window dressing. Symbolic theatrics to appease domestic audiences. No nation — and I mean none — can genuinely decouple from American demand without bankrupting itself in the process.
As for your newfound "sympathy" for China, kindly check the global capital flows. Investors are not running to Beijing. They’re hedging and waiting for Washington’s industrial policy to crystallize. Spoiler alert: it will, because it must.
Call it Trumpian volatility, if you like. But make no mistake — this is controlled demolition of a dysfunctional status quo. Those who understand the game will buy assets cheap while you keep typing panicked posts on anonymous imageboards.
Markets are forward-looking. Try to keep up.
form a trade alliance
en.wikipedia.org
maybe they will finally get it done after 23 years.
the EU
is going to buy more gas from the US, they have no choice.
you fucking vegtable
negative i am a meet popsicl
Yeah companies are trying to deal with the shock of paying 125% more
Correct — they’re adapting supply chains overnight. Shock is the desired mechanism, genius. You can’t rip the fentanyl out of the veins gently. It hurts. That’s how you break path dependency. Ask any restructuring specialist: disruption is not the bug, it’s the feature.
Capital flight is leaving China
You mock it, but it’s real. FX reserves down. Sovereign wealth funds rebalancing. Manufacturing orders rerouted. You think that’s bullish for Beijing? Cute.
Allies recalculating dependencies, yeah to America, land of retards
Correct again, accidentally. When the empire controls demand, it controls the game. You complain about everyone running to America while proving my point.
Trump proves he’s unpredictable
And that is power. Predictable negotiators get steamrolled. Unpredictable ones bend reality to their will. If you think Beijing, Brussels, and Basel aren’t glued to every tick of this policy cycle, you’re delusional.
Migatards dumber than libtards
Meanwhile, you just typed a cope-post while smart money is front-running policy pivots and loading up on reshoring plays. You’ll be exit liquidity when the incentives shift — and they are shifting. Bookmark this.
US [Trump] actually wants a good relationship with Mexico and Canada
This is probably the most retarded of the 5D chess takes I've seen so far. Congratulations.
ultimately this kind of aggressive negotiation costs more in future because everyone raises their prices, refuses to do business with you, or fucks you over at the first opportunity
this is exactly why trump is and always has been a serial business failure. Nobody wants to work with a bully or a liar. He is their enemy when trade requires a partner.
it's true of a lot of people that don't understand business. They see it as war when it's actually a set of relationships. You can't "win" at someone else's expense. Or if you do, you'll pay for it later.
The US wants more control of canada and mexico because they are border nations of the most powerful country in the world. since they real the benefits of that they need to be brought to heel.
If Trump really wanted to negotiate a better deal for his people, why doesn't he just do what I want him to do and march down the same path of them getting fucked?
funny how none of you notice the 25% tariffs on mexico and canada are still in place.
you just assume anon is right and explain why his wrong information must be true.
I do know the 25% is still in place, though neither country was included in the blanket tariffs as anon said. canada and mexico are still in negotiations but it seems they have to wait for their (step)dad to tell them what to do.
Hubris, Trump want to dominate other and feel in control.
huh.
well my answer when he asked why mexico and canada didn't get hit with tariffs would have been
they did.
japantimes.co.jp
Japan, South Korea and China vow to strengthen trade ties amid looming U.S. tariffs
>the EU
is going to buy more gas from the US, they have no choice.
EU excports are at most 1.1% of EU GDP. US energy puchases are a fraction of that. The grown ups don;t need or case about Trumps shit. They are waiting for the Russian defeat and then the US gets the fuck off it has begged for.
well my answer
see what happens when you're late to a thread? you don't get to impart your wisdom until after the fact.
he literally just manipulated the market
The USA has app,ied 10% tariffs and a 25% tariff to EU steel and aluminium. The EU repisals were approved yesterday and cover everything from US
On 16 May, a further 25% duty will be imposed on US exports such as steel and polyethylene, which is the most widely used plastic in the world and is found in shopping bags, toys, and bottles.
And later in the year, on 1 December, a 25% duty will come into force on almonds and basedbeans.
These products are some primary exports from Trump-allied states, with the EU seeking to target the local economies in those areas in order to put pressure on the US President’s political peers to lobby the White House to negotiate.
The US is the world’s second-largest basedbean producer and exporter, and last year the EU purchased around $2.4 billion worth of basedbeans from the US. The EU also imported around $1.3 billion worth of almonds from the US last year.
Meanwhile, the EU is understood to also be targeting items from Republican strong holds, such as ice cream from Arizona and handkerchiefs from South Carolina, according to Politico.
he literally just manipulated the market
Its a pointless suckers rally.
what wisdom? Every investor outside the idiot pool on Anon Babble grasped the fact immediately. Nothing has changed except sentiment. The fundamentals are still in place for a massive crash.
Japan, South Korea and China vow
maybe they will finally strike a deal. i wouldn't hold my breath, though.
EU still needs LNG, can't live without it and can't be seen buying too much from Russia because it's humiliating.
You are talkinng though your ass the US LNG exports are a trivial % of EU GDP and pretty irrelevent. The EU stores a years gas in its network. What is happening as anyone paid to work in finance on this shithole will tell you is money is leaving the dollar and going to the Euro and it is happening fast. The dollar is no longer a safe haven. That is monumental. It is no esaderation to say Trump has destoyed the USA and brought in an era of mass poverty for his retarded supporters, Keep clapping. No one cares.
we're going to negotiate some deals by sending and inviting delegates! We'll announce results once we're done!
the fuck, that's what you want?? that's sleepy joe boringass move not fit for current gen retardanon.
massive crash
I can't wait to find out if that happens. These are exciting times.
pretty irrelevant
can they live without it?
I can't wait to find out if that happens. These are exciting times.
agreed. I was sad when I heard he backed off and then got interested again when I found out he really didn't.
he won't Trump is very serious when it comes to china he believes china (in collusion with other powers) released COVID to steal the 2020 election. Seems like only yesterday honestly.
It was a great deal for Trump and frens. Not for (You) or anyone else.
I have no love for china but everything in walmart and target comes from there not to mention temu and alibaba. He's going to face some serious pushback when this trickles down. Hopefully he sticks to his guns. China is getting way too pushy lately.
agreed on all points. if it's not successful everything may indeed collapse (or a boring micro collapse that somehow gets taped back together), if it's successful that'll be insane.