The U.S. is fucked long-term

125% tariff on China, 3rd largest trading partner

25% tariff on Canada and Mexico, #1 and #2 respectively, for all non-USMCA goods -- basically 50% of everything we import from them

10% universal duty

Greer publicly floundered during a hearing with congress today where he literally learned of the reversal mid-session, implying he was totally uninformed

Bessent directly contradicts Trump saying this was the plan all along after Trump says he only reversed the decision because markets were looking "queasy"

So a few things:

Despite what the shitposting MAGA tards on this board are claiming, anyone with half a brain can recognize that this policy, even reduced, is still incredibly destructive and is going to cause chaos. If no exemptions are made on the Chinese front -- which I'm pretty sure there won't be, even though he's signaled exemptions for certain businesses from the 10% duty, because that would kind of defeat the purpose -- then whole supply chains which rely on Chinese imports will collapse overnight & it'll force retailers to massively reorganize in a short amount of time, risking steep losses & mass layoffs, or forcing them to raise prices, risking inflation.

Secondly -- and I think this is more important -- how is Trump going to make satisfactory trade deals with other countries after this? He just made us look extremely weak and divided. I don't mean this in the political sense, I'm not some bleeding heart liberal, what I'm saying is that Trump essentially just showed the world that the destructive tariffs he threatened to impose are a paper tiger and nothing more than a "negotiating tactic" -- which, ironically, renders them moot as a negotiating tactic, because now everyone knows he'll back down under pressure. If I were the head of the EU delegation right now, I'd be thinking "He's too beholden to the markets and domestic political pressure. If we stand firm and he throws a tantrum, we can extract concessions, because he will be forced to stand down if reciprocal tariffs cause enough panic in the domestic market."

On a broader scale, confidence in US stability and the idea that the US is "a robust first world economy" and "too big to fail" just shattered. The NYSE is behaving like a shitcoin and Trump is pulling massive rug pulls causing fluctuations of trillions of dollars within a matter of hours. Europe is thinking, "the U.S. can no longer be relied upon as the guardian of global market stability".

Combine this with the Greenland and Ukraine situation a few weeks back, and the EU has totally lost faith. Why submit to Trump's harsh demands? Why not just move towards China?

B-but they need us!

The MAGA tards will keep screaming this no matter what, but I'm not speaking to them right now. Again, if you have half a brain, you should know this isn't true. China is a massive growing market with an even larger consumer base -- literally over 1 billion people, US pop. is way less than that, the global trade balance could shift towards them easily.

Moreover, why would foreign countries even want to concede to Trump's demands other than extreme fear he'll crash global markets -- which, after today, will never be taken seriously as a threat again. These demands don't benefit them. Like Trump says, they're making billions off the current dynamic. The only way he could actually disrupt things enough to maybe force a massive change -- and this is quite risky, as we saw -- would be through extreme brinkmanship, but he's clearly not committed enough to do that.

If you're not a MAGA tard, heed this warning: this is a bubble. Have your fun, sell while you still can, and invest in gold or Euro or something before the real storm arrives.

It's only down hill from here.

Anon, keynsian globalist YoY spending and inflation also leads to total US death. It doesn't even matter that its trump, restructuring is needed or we all have worthless currency, slum lords, hyper rich ruling over UBI slaves. The US must gut its office leech economy and produce things again to survive the century.

Very well written post that is wasted in this shithole.

It is very interesting reading small business forums right now. Everybody is crying about their imports. Whether you sell clothes, toys or fucking drones, you are fucked. These kinds of business are very close to my heart. Thank fuck I do not live in the US.

We can just go to war yurotard, we'll bomb the shit out of everyone and take all of the western hemisphere for ourselves worst case.

office leech economy and produce things again

Those office leeches create more income than simple manufacture.
Believe it or not, services, design and scientific advancement won't somehow stop being major driving forces in the economies of the world.
Yes you need manufacturing for military protectionism but that's not what the economy wants because that's dead weight security.
Why do you think Trump wants to half the US military budget.

Xi is winning this in the end
Just banning the import of American movies would be massive and put the entire Hollywood into jeopardy

now this is what I love to hear. miggers will pay dearly

Plunder based economy is not exactly bullish.

How are you going to do that half the world away with half your usual budget without your own people rising against you for sending their sons to death Vietnam style for no reason again.

I'm an American. I can't tell if you're shitposting or not -- I'm not saying this is impossible because after today, nothing is, but if Trump did this then we'd be sanctioned by practically every nation on Earth and it would cripple our already declining economy and send us into depression.

any links youd rec? will not engage with reddit so have only seen screenshots and some journalism

Have you even worked in an office environment ever in your life brother. The 80/20 rule is ironclad and the daily clock ins of huge swathes of the economy taking in huge amount of wealth do almost nothing, produce nothing and if they were atomized the lowly front line worker would still be turning out most essential business. Regardless the first part of the statement is much more important.

If the previous 20 years of financialization and using inflation to loot the middle class continued for another 20 the US collapses completely into a Brazil style mess. The US MUST restructure its economy and currency, the looting is on its precipice of being terminal but can be reversed. There is no shortage of labor or natural resources price discovery will fix things quickly.

America cannot win wars, don't kid yourself.

Anon, do you believe everyone else is too stupid to figure out how to produce services? Once Vietnam and India and the rest get rich enough to start rolling their own service economies they'll start doing it. They're protectionist when it comes to their domestic manufacturing (mostly in the way they treat foreign licenses) and they'll be protectionist in their service industries.

Believe it or not, services, design and scientific advancement won't somehow stop being major driving forces in the economies of the world.

Yeah, why would the countries hosting those factories want to outsource these driving forces to outsiders if they can use their homegrown talent?

grug smash is bearish migger

Now imagine Canada as well.

It's not about this. Waging insane wars of aggression against Canada, Greenland, and Panama would isolate the US geopolitically. I've already thought about this. The gains would sustain the economy maybe for a few years before we'd inevitably need to conquer more land, and we can't do that forever. Look at what's happened to Russia. Sure, they're surviving -- barely. The ruble is worth nothing, they're functionally a pariah state. Is that what you want the U.S. to become? Come on. Don't be a retard. You're smarter than this.

If the US cant exist w/o selling out to China then it doesn't deserve to exist. Luckily, you are wrong and about to join the 41%.

That’s the end goal for Trump. End Hollywood.

You lost

I agree the US shouldn't exist, its nothing but fraud, book cooking, and printing

.t american btw

God willing. Name one good movie to come out of Hollywood in the last 10 years.

>>Anon Babble

1. The US imports more than it exports. Tariffs therefore, don't mean anything. Consumer want cheap good = consumer buy from China. Consumer can't afford cheap good = Substitute purchase = purchase from ally nation or from US. (Consumers do not reduce spending habits, they only substitute). Consumer still buy from China = US Govt gets money = pay down debt/invest in US/basically a tax on the poor.
2. See above
3. See above
4. Irrelevant, the mechanisms that control the US like the constitution, separation of powers, ect have not changed
5. See above

Tldr for all your stressing, worrying and gambling obsession in thinking you are all better than average; you would be better off just buying the SP500 and forgetting about it, retiring on millions knowing you beat 95% of all humans (And AI trading platforms) on earth.

Bonus point: Trump would be worth nearly the same amount today had when his dad died in 1999 he purchased the SP500. 500m over 26 years at 10% compounding = his current guessed net worth of 6.5b.

You're missing the bigger picture. This has gone beyond just *our* relationship with China. Trust in the U.S. has shattered and Europe is moving towards investing in Chinese enterprise because they feel the U.S. is unstable and can no longer be trusted. Did you even read my post?

Are you retarded? The U.S. importing more than it exports is the entire issue here. It means any trade war or tariff will harm U.S. consumers and cause inflation in the U.S., because the U.S. relies more on other countries than other countries rely on us. Get real.

you would be better off just buying the SP500 and forgetting about it, retiring on millions knowing you beat 95% of all humans

topkek, you have no idea how this works

Consumer can't afford cheap good = Substitute purchase = purchase from ally nation or from US.

Substitutes don't exist, are unaffordable, and throw every supply chain into a woodchipper

US Govt gets money = pay down debt/invest in US/basically a tax on the poor.

More like justify tax cuts for the wealthy and invest nothing

This has gone beyond just *our* relationship with China. Trust in the U.S. has shattered and Europe is moving towards investing in Chinese enterprise because they feel the U.S. is unstable and can no longer be trusted.

Every single nation that was a US ally said we are not putting up tariffs and they wanted to talk. No one is going anywhere. These systems that are in place are near impossible to change/move, it would take decades to replace supply chain partners with substitutes because nations would have to create entirely new economies of scale. There is a natural order to capitalism on a global scale and going against it would be near impossible.

The U.S. importing more than it exports is the entire issue here. It means any trade war or tariff will harm U.S. consumers and cause inflation in the U.S

Consumption is consumption. The US economy on all metrics is strong, consumers are not going to stop buying.

If I can't buy an iphone no other product exists!

Incorrect.

More like justify tax cuts for the wealthy and invest nothing

Wealth inequality is growing year on year, and the SP500 is one of the main vehicles that is growing it. If you want to stay poor, stay out of the fast lane.

You keep posting this but clearly don't understand it.

If I can't buy an iphone no other product exists!

Incorrect.

This is pure election loss material.

Dear diary, I have TDS and I watch too much MSM... the end.

(OP)
No, he started a trade war with the EU and China

"EU takes revenge on Trump’s tariffs as countries approve €20B+ retaliation
Brussels is now set to strike back against U.S. president’s steel and aluminum measures."
politico.eu/article/eu-takes-revenge-on-trumps-metals-tariffs-approved-as-countries-close-ranks/

And got Japan and South Korea to form a trade block with China

japantimes.co.jp/business/2025/03/30/japan-china-south-korea-trade-ministers/
"Japan, South Korea and China vow to strengthen trade ties amid looming U.S. tariffs"

your mother fucks niggers for cash.

You keep posting this but clearly don't understand it.

oh? then please elaborate mass replying migger

He will walk back the China tariffs. He and Xi will both agree to de-escalate and just find a way to do it and save face for both of them. Just like he backed down today but managed to spin it as a W.

Wall Street and Bond traders showed they are the ones in control, so we're just gonna see a rerun of Trump 1.0, we just had the 2018 trade war now instead of next year.

Not relevant to a man who is not being elected again anyway and has done his rug pull already.

He's not. The nations in the EU negotiate on their trade and internal market as one bloc and their leadership outclasses Trump and Co mentally..

This isn't even an appeal to the masses. Barely anyone is saying this or recognizing how destructive this will be. But okay, I'm sure you know better! Retard.

Imagine being such a faggot that Canadians find you intolerable.

Too optimistic. The GOP is gone and fully absorbed into the Trump cult of personality, but if they continue like this it'll cease to exist after his death.

The SP500 has continued to out perform through multiple world wars, multiple dumb wars (Vietnam, Middle East), multiple depressions, a housing crisis, ect. And you think one orange man is going to change this more than global wars or genuine economic disasters? No.

What's stopping other countries from strengthening ties with China since the US has shown they can't be trusted?

Companies like ASML in the Netherlands, the only company on earth who can supply the lithography machines used to manufacture cutting edge chips, does not sell to China due to American political pressure. But the Dutch were backstabbed over nothing.

USMCA was originally created so that America could compete with Japanese car manufacturers (literally used to be called the Auto-Pact) and now Canada and Mexico who've spend decades integrating into the supply chain got fucked over.

What is the master plan here?

voca.ro/1VdTp3brJPLn

The chinks will kneel, like everyone else.
The fuck lil Ping Pong gon’ do?
Wave chopsticks at us?
We’re AMERICA. The greatest goddamn nation in history. Nothing on Gods green Earth threatens us.

Could it survive the collapse of the dollar though?

You don't understand. During all those events, the U.S. ultimately came out stronger. The structural foundation was still secure. Faith was high. People were happy. America was strong. But that's just not the case anymore. Do you really think just because things have always improved up until this point, they'll improve forever? All empires have to go eventually.

Cope

3 days ago you were crying about how Trump crashed the economy because you are terrible at the stock market. Im not reading all your tranny nonsense.

Why not just move towards China?

invest in gold or Euro

Euro

kek, well done anon. I had to read al that shit to get to the punchline, but you set up the delivery perfectly.

this shit must hit so hard if you're retarded.

You're fundamentally delusional, refuse to come to terms with reality, and call everyone who doesn't conform to your delusional worldview a tranny. You're gonna be in for a rude awakening when the economic realities of this decision hit hard. Cope, seethe, cry about it.

actually that makes it worse, its just a slow bleed

Yes, its called wealth inequality and its the only actual threat to the US if they don't start putting in a welfare safety net of some description. But the great thing about slow bleeds is you can watch it die in real time without any shocks.

What's stopping other countries from strengthening ties with China since the US has shown they can't be trusted?

Costs, laziness, economies of scale, long term > short term thinking. Obliterating the global economic system because of one funny orange man is illogical so they won't do it.

30s? 1971? 2008?

The structural foundation was still secure. Faith was high. People were happy

People were just partying on the streets during the Great Depression.

All empires have to go eventually.

This is the only true part of your post, but it is arrogance to think it will happen because you're alive and living in these times. There is not one ounce of evidence that the US is going to be any different in a future 10 years as it was 10 years ago. Other than growing more and more. Basically you're the Roman at the middle of its existence going "This will all fall down one day!" but you won't even be dust when it happens.

Xi is not a god politically, he has tons of enemies within the party and is only halfway through purging the latest batch, and these will multiply the longer this shit goes on and China suffers. Trump and Xi will agree to a deal that gives both sides concessions and allows them to both save face and spin it as a win to their cults.

Like I said, it's just gonna be Trump 1.0 but we're bombing Houthis and maybe Iran instead of Assad now.

I would unironically rather be Russian right now.
That's how precarious things look to me right now. The fiasco in Ukraine seems like sound and sober policy when weighed against whatever Hail Mary villain arc shit Trump is trying to pull.

The picture where the US is stabbing itself to death with two knives while China and Europe look on in horror and apathy seems all too real right now, all too real.

During the Great Depression, people still had faith in America's institutions, even if poverty was endemic. They voted to fix their problems -- elected FDR. That's not really gonna work out now. The system itself has lost the confidence of the people and politicians are increasingly out of touch with reality.

Companies like ASML in the Netherlands

If China can get a hand on their patents there won't be ASML

USMCA was originally created so that America could compete with Japanese car manufacturers (literally used to be called the Auto-Pact) and now Canada and Mexico who've spend decades integrating into the supply chain got fucked over.

Japan wants to dump their cars into a foreign market, it does not having someone else dump into their own market.
Europe wants to dump their cars into a foreign market, it does not having someone else dump into their own market.
There are not new places Canada and Mexico can look for partners.

Trump hating fucktard loses again.

Then Trump hating faggot once again, that despite being wrong about everything and being an antiwhite faggot, thinks he can muster up some educated guess.

All trump hating faggots are traitors and you will get the rope at this point. Ruined this country with a near decade of objectively wrong bitching.

During the Great Depression, people still had faith in America's institutions, even if poverty was endemic.

No, they didn't. And you are making absolutely absurd claims over one instance of instability when there have been so many equally bad events and in all of them the US pulled ahead anyway.

You are coping seething and crying. Maybe your life would be easier if you didnt go online and cried about how incompetent you are at gambling.

30s? 1971? 2008?

Is any of that the same scale as dedollarization? I don't know maybe.

I guess life does go on after all.

You keep prophesizing Armageddon, and nothing keeps happening.
You’d think being wrong so consistently while talking the wildest shit would get exhausting, but here you are, once again, bell in one hand and “THE END IS NIGHT” sign in another.
Lol.
Lmao.

People absolutely still had faith in America's institutions during the Great Depression, because instead of trying to trigger a revolution -- as in Russia -- they went to the ballot box and voted to elect a Democratic supermajority, which started passing legislation to alleviate unemployment and inflation. But the gridlock and democratic backsliding in the U.S. has reached a point where elections are meaningless, and may not even be held under free and fair circumstances in 2026.

America was also racially homogenous and the vast majority did not want to go to war with Germany and even saw Germany as the ideal evolution of what the founding fathers wanted but you won't talk about that.

You deserve to be stripped of US citizenship, then thrown and locked into Haiti as your permeant home.

I already see you as a antiracist subhuman, so you deserve to experience the consequences of your beliefs.

What a fucking awful image.
No key and "will fight" is somehow both blue and red simultaneously.

Kek, I made it for a thread making fun of the left and that's the exact response I was expecting thanks anon. Before you ask it only took like 15 min with ai. So no real time lost.

I believed in "Nothing ever happens" as gospel for years, but something has fundamentally shifted post-2024. This isn't just one destabilizing event -- it's becoming clear to me that this is all part of a larger, observable pattern, which didn't apply to other "Nothing ever happens" prophesized dooms which was manly dumb self-contained shit. Even if the economy stabilizes under Trump, he is stacking the DOJ with loyalists, stacking the military with loyalists, stacking the FCC with loyalists, stacking every branch of the executive with loyalists, and has a compliant majority in congress which will do whatever he says. He has effectively consolidated absolute control over the US govt. de facto, if not de jure, and this will only get more secure as time goes on. Why accept a Democratic win in 2026? He'll just say it's stolen, and use his power to change the results, or delay the election entirely.

HURR DURR THAT DIDN'T HAPPEN LAST TIME!

Yeah, because he was surrounded by a bunch of institutionalist GOP swamp creatures who refused to obey obviously insane authoritarian orders. But with loyalist psychopaths like Hegseth and Bondi who would carpet bomb California if he ordered it at the head of every agency, every deputy secretary, every associate, every division head... well, this is a much different story.

Good morning saar

get out plebbitor migger

Donald "100 million more to Israel" Trump is not on your side, you fucking retard, and you anti-zionist neo-nazis will be the first he purges to consolidate control over the right once he's finished destroying the leftists. You have no control. Cope.

Kek

meds now, this is Q boomer tier schizophrenia

He literally said this is what he was going to do during the campaign. One of his main campaign promises was to end liberal influence in America permanently by using the DOJ to target Democratic officials and jail them -- he reaffirmed this over 100 times during the campaign, it's even listed as one of his main promises on the Wikipedia page. This was one of the main reasons he won over so many Republicans who despise liberals and see them as an existential threat and was able to consolidate the base so well.

It doesn't matter that the chinese are broke and that the USA is the wealthiest consumer base on earth, please bro you have to remain scared and dump your stocks, they're going to "move towards china" bro cmon, they're going to "move" okay?

npr.org/2024/10/22/nx-s1-5155032/trump-makes-more-than-100-threats-to-prosecute-or-punish-perceived-enemies

See above

And from here: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Donald_Trump_2024_presidential_campaign

"His campaign proposed expanding the authority of the executive branch over the federal government,[33] which would be accomplished through the imposition of a spoils system via Schedule F,[34][35] and directing the U.S. Department of Justice to go after political enemies.[36]"

What's stopping other countries from strengthening ties with China since the US has shown they can't be trusted?

Nothing's stopping them except the common sense that you can't trust chinks for shit. Basically you're choosing between retards and conmen. Not an easy decision.

I don't even have any stake in this. I'm not an investor.

Stop watching MSNBC

But the gridlock and democratic backsliding in the U.S. has reached a point where elections are meaningless, and may not even be held under free and fair circumstances in 2026.

Yeah yeah, you have selective amnesia and forget Biden exists or Obama before him, and refuse to accept all the good they did to the economy and how everyone want straight back to normal. (Normal being wealth inequality up and poor-fags down, typical as the last 100 years)

Look anon I have no skin in this game, you want to buy/sell daily, get ruined by fees and tax, and fail to beat the index like the other 95% you do you. But you fags have some of the worst egos on the planet to think A. Something magical/horrible will change in your life time and B. You can out perform when you can't even a discounted cash flow analysis.

Facts

we'll if this actually happens I'll eat crow but it sounds like paranoid helplessness from you and senile wishful thinking nonsense from him

Yep, and that aligns perfectly with him being able to vibe with putin so much. He's literally trying to follow in his footsteps.

Even if the economy stabilizes under Trump, he is stacking the DOJ with loyalists, stacking the military with loyalists, stacking the FCC with loyalists, stacking every branch of the executive with loyalists, and has a compliant majority in congress which will do whatever he says

This happens every, four, years.

So true, Trump is a nazi, that's why I sold my 401k yesterday at the bottom, he's a nazi no good orange putinite

if so he will eventually remove them too

US is fucked

Funny because it sounds like everyone else is fucked, not us.

that's why I sold my 401k yesterday at the bottom

Don't worry, just wait a couple of days/weeks, and you'll be able to slurp some cheapies. That pump today was an obvious exit pump for eric to sell his bags.

retard who still doesn't understand the low margin, low complexity manufacturing jobs with no comparative advantage aren't coming back and that tariffs = taxes = higher cost of living

As much as people here post

Simply make stuff in America

They are forgetting that there are also some things America exports to these countries and you won't be able to sell them anymore because they won't want to buy. I realize US exports less than it import, hence the trade deficit, the money you make from exporting is still sizeable.

No it doesn't. The President isn't supposed to appoint people based on personal loyalty above all else because then we'd just be living under an autocracy. Of course all Presidents do this to some extent, but across the board? That's unheard of, it removes all accountability and essentially makes it so that the President can direct executive agencies to do anything or fuck with anyone without question -- as Trump is doing, as he has already done. Most presidential appointments are institutionalist swamp creatures who prioritize stability above all else. That's clearly not the case with the Trump admin.

no one cares about confidence when greed is involved. if cryptos becoming as big as they did didn't prove you this then i don't know what will. people are greedy fuckers and will block their ears to any risk blab if they think they can make some money

China is so fucked and they have to basically kowtow to America to even have a chance el mao

Yeah, and they are all more evil, and we waited to collect proof on all of them before acting so we're still the good guys.

A downside of globalization and economies of scale is as time passes, it becomes harder to undo. Basically imagine a bunker that every year, adds inches to its walls. The cost to adjust industries is too difficult for people to care about it for 4 years.

No it doesn't. The President isn't supposed to appoint people based on personal loyalty

Anon you are naive as fuck. We had this multiple times, most notably was Bush/Cheney where Cheney took over the US and forced us in to his own personal war and pump scheme.

No I AM IMPORTANT and I live in IMPORTANT TIMES

No.

Markets cannot ignore fundamentals forever. Sooner or later these tariffs are going to hit retail profit margins hard.

aren't

They are, announced last month

tariffs are taxes

They're not, taxes are not optional. Choosing not to buy American is optional.
It sure sounds like literally everyone except China is willing to play ball, hence the pause. Even if not, exports will still be fine for the same reason we're not just cutting off all imports entirely.
Gee I wonder why Trump would do that after getting backstabbed more than Julius Caesar his entire last term? Deal with it, 3.75 more years of his no brakes.

Shits pants

Partially cleans shit

"heh, looks like everyone else shit their pants"

This is fucking cult logic. We literally accomplished nothing except pissing the world off and making the stock market into a meme coin,

Markets cannot ignore fundamentals forever.

Markets can ignore logic longer than people can afford to stay liquid. The SP500 has been over-valued for a year and a half and after yesterday is back to overpriced.

We literally got everyone happy with 10% blanket tariff and 125% China tariff.
Source: stock market green.

Agree

Please for the love of god be trolling.

Hes unironically correct.

They're not, taxes are not optional. Choosing not to buy American is optional.

Every manufactured good that's above pig iron in the tech tree needs imported components, machinery, resources, energy or labor. All those are pricier with tariffs because they're retarded universal import taxes.

If you wouldn't sacrifice all fundamentals for one green day
ur a fake mumu

25% tariff on Canada and Mexico, #1 and #2 respectively, for all non-USMCA goods

No more drop shipping Chinese goods via Mexico or Canada and you're kvetching about it.

Did you check my source?
Easy solution: buy American, source American, hire American. Not complicated.
They are straight panicking man you can just smell the fear and losses on them.

Easy solution: buy American, source American, hire American. Not complicated.

Juche rocks. Now go to the factory to turn excess milk into fabric for based autarky.

We literally got everyone happy with 10% blanket tariff and 125% China tariff.

EU takes revenge on Trump’s tariffs as countries approve €20B+ retaliation
Brussels is now set to strike back against U.S. president’s steel and aluminum measures.
politico.eu/article/eu-takes-revenge-on-trumps-metals-tariffs-approved-as-countries-close-ranks/

Japan, South Korea and China vow to strengthen trade ties amid looming U.S. tariffs
japantimes.co.jp/business/2025/03/30/japan-china-south-korea-trade-ministers/

Easy solution: buy American, source American, hire American. Not complicated.

How many of you fags can actually afford a $15,000 iPhone with 2nm transistors

turn excess milk into fabric

Casein extraction has been around since the 1930s. try again

you would've been better off not writing this emotional fan fic gayshit. your original post was sufficient. im pulling out by summer, coincidentally the 3 month delay lines up perfectly with this epicforamerica.org/federal-budget/preparing-for-the-debt-limit-projecting-the-2025-x-date/

im out by summer. good luck to all the magatards and cryptofanatics holding out hope for the great reset switchy flippy because you're going to get rekt. this will not be an easy transition at all. and if somehow we're wrong then ohhh nooo ill get mocked by an ugly weeb for selling early, my heckin coin rank is lower, oh frick!

>usa raping chinks and breaking their customers

usa gains 5 trillion in a day

usa is fucked

chinks and libtard mad that this is day 3 of a trade war that will collapse the abusive Chinese trade market and manufacturing norms for the past 40 years.

peak seething and coping

so its working. good to know we will continue

muh iPhone

buy American, source American, hire American

This is gonna blow your mind; but global trade is really good for the US because it lets you pay cents to workers to make you things.

True Nationalism: Creating a global slave work force so Americans can be rich and buy stuff cheap
Fake Nationalism: Creating everything within a country, so Americans have to suffer low wages, high costs and expensive goods

Are you Jewish?

EU takes revenge on Trump’s tariffs as countries approve €20B+ retaliation

lol stocks red tomorrow when he hits them with punitive tariffs too

asia

10 day old article totally overcome by events

Uhhhhhh put the crack pipe down.

Pic rel. We need those jobs back. Out of money, not sorry, fuck your economy America First.

@Grok, tl;dtr this midwit.

lib fags and their iphone think apple will make their phones too expensive

typical California american with priorities being an apple phone...

listen libtard. the price to make an iphone cost 10 usdollars apple inflates their own price

apple will take the hit and maintain the price or lower the price to get more costomers , or they will sell their phones more expensively abroad

your such a nigger for thinking MuH iPhONE
wILl Be Expensive.

do you not understand how much iphone marks their shit up.

its like1000% mark up

not to mention tsmc is moving in to the usa
lithium is sourced from Argentina. you have 0 goddamn argument aside from slave labor good american jobs bad .

just say "i hate trump" insted of being a fucking retarded jeet

Why does the pay have to be shit when we’re hiring domestically?

my thoughts exactly thank you anon

usa gains 5 trillion in a day

this sounds retarded

China doesn't give a damn about this mess, they will continue to sell to the US through a middleman.

apple will take the hit and maintain the price

are you an actual retard?

costomers

yes, i suppose you are.

If you want slaves why are you so afraid to have them in your own country? Think of all the jobs you're not creating by having slaves in china, who's going to do the whipping?

No I am white

We need those jobs back

No, you need a reduction in share buybacks and an increase in salaries. More jobs solves unemployment. More jobs =/= higher wages.

Because the goods are more expensive to manufacture, which means less profits for companies, which means lower wages.

True Nationalism: Creating a global slave work force so Americans can be rich and buy stuff cheap

Except its more accurately described as creating a global slave work force so Americans (not rootless cosmopolitans who live everywhere and nowhere) can be poor and rent cheap disposable goods that they have to constantly replace, and its ultimately not sustainable because the slaves eventually industrialize as we de-industrialize. Then it's only a matter of time before they realize they can beat us in a war of attrition since we have no industry and they start to ask why exactly we're the boss and not them.

china is the last place to go to for someone that cares about bullshit like trust. greed drives companies and investors there and many got rewarded with great rugpulls. usa is going to be one of those too big to fail cases. even if people cry and scream now its a too big market to ignore so people will return sooner or later

implying trump is not a conman

Why do u think like a Jewish person tho?

apple will be fine

jeets keep seething that cheep things can be made cheep in America

cant afford and iphone buy android .

They are, announced last month

wrong, retard.

The nature of a business is to sell as high as possible, paying as little as possible.
You pay good wages, but your competition doesn't, you're fucked.

More jobs solves unemployment.

Bro I posted the real unemployment chart.
You fucking retard. Your broke imbecile. European.

they start to ask why exactly we're the boss and not them.

I have traveled the world and let me tell you something. These people, they're barely conscious. They also have even more vicious leaders than the US has ever seen. Take India for example, it has 0 middle class and has not had one for ages. It has a ruling class of billionaires, sympathetic to their own greed and the US support and then billions of slaves.

Yeah, you've been getting fucked recently. Yeah, Americans are kinda dumb overall. But compared to the global slave workforce, you're basically Gods. They are not decades away from development, they're hundred of years away. The self-awareness is not there. And when it does spark a moment of intelligence; they just move to a better country. Why do you think the US/West has such easy access for immigrants, because we want anyone smart enough to want a good thing to move here, to leave the slaves without leaders.

cheep

did you graduate from motherfucking high school? holy shit. you are a fucking dumb nigger.

here are some facts: apple will not reduce their prices, because they have a responsibility to shareholders to maximize shareholder returns. prices will go UP until the supply and demand curves intersect.

I do not support this system, I don't think you fags need a new iphone every year or another pair of shitty nikes, I am just empathetic enough to understand what our ancestors did to create it and the misery it has created.

And you clearly can't read it.

more mad chinks libs and jeets , it must be another good time to buy . this is the signal

you are a functionally illiterate retard. did you graduate from high school?

they are about to get fucked then i do not care about their share holded or their trillion dollar company evaluation. but they choose to make phones in the usa and your seething they choose to do that. libnigger tears make my cock so hard

They also have even more vicious leaders than the US has ever seen.

Yes those are the people I mean who are asking the question, and I'm referencing China, who has already advanced to the point that they're looking for their own slaves, but still have a colossal industrial capacity that they show no sign of ever planning to phase out in the name of comparative advantage.

your

DID YOU GRADUATE FROM HIGH SCHOOL, DUMB NIGGER? HOLY SHIT YOU ARE ONE RETARDED NIGLET.

Yes those are the people I mean who are asking the question

They're billionaires, they don't want anything to change.

I'm referencing China

China is a true powder keg. The only reason it has done well is because they have the effective version of a philosopher king. But all empires built on one man collapse spectacularly over time.

It sounds like we are in agreement that that this system is evil then. So why kick the can down the road and bury the future generations in a deeper hole like the boomers did?

you forgot to mention overseas institutional investors not buying the S&P or US bonds anymore because of how fucking terrifying they are with this administration. That is the lethal blow and bond rates will go further up than they even were before till it pops

this is good to remember. we might have a dip again but it wont last forever. the doomsday preppers are always wrong

REDDIT FAG OBSESSED WITH TYPOS

WELL THATS THE PROOF TROON IS MAD POINT AND LAUGH

The classic "collapse overnight" cope is dressed in verbosity to sound intellectual. Let’s unpack it.

First, Tariffs don’t "collapse" supply chains; they reprice them. What actually collapses supply chains is offshoring your entire industrial base to your geopolitical rival for 30 years. You’re blaming the fire alarm for the fire.

Second: You’re catastrophizing normal market adaptation. High tariffs force the reallocation of capital toward domestic production and allied trade networks. Yes, there’s short-term friction — that's literally the price of extracting yourself from dependency. It's surgery, not a spa day.

Third: Your fear of inflation ignores that we’re already in an inflationary spiral because of supply chain fragility and foreign manipulation. Front-loading the pain now is cheaper than terminal inflation down the line.

Fourth: "Retailers will be forced to raise prices" — yes. And the market will respond. Reduced cheap junk imports means fewer dollar-store trinkets but also higher velocity of money domestically. Job creation in manufacturing offsets retail margin shrinkage.

Fifth: Trump wants companies to reorganize. That’s not a bug; that’s the point.

Finally: If you honestly think that Chinese domination of the supply chain is a natural, irreplaceable market outcome, rather than deliberate mercantilist strategy and suicidal Western corporate short-termism, then congratulations — you’ve swallowed the CCP white paper whole.

posts coombait

expects to be taken seriously

then you're in the wrong place, mate. Everyone should consume more, replace their iphone every 6 months and buy limited edition sneakers quarterly.
All for the glory of money.

You are describing winning as if it’s failure. Yes, it hurts. Surgery does. But cancer hurts a lot more when you ignore it.

They're not, taxes are not optional. Choosing not to buy American is optional.

lol you could frame any tax as an option

income tax is le optional. you don't have to work for a wage

kys

Job creation in manufacturing offsets retail margin shrinkage.

outed yourself as retarded
ask any manufacturer what they think

You are describing winning as if it’s failure. Yes, it hurts. Surgery does. But cancer hurts a lot more when you ignore it.

so you are a tumor.

So why kick the can down the road and bury the future generations in a deeper hole like the boomers did?

Because neither you or I can hope to even dent this issue. The majority of humans, unfortunately, are so stupid that they would rather walk into a wall then stop and think 'going forward will hurt'.

The only way this system breaks, is when people start starving/dying/struggling to horrible levels that the fear of fighting the system is overwhelmed by their fear for survival. The reality is we may just be born too early to be of any help.

You’re just the patient screaming at the surgeon because the anesthesia wore off.

You’re just the patient screaming at the surgeon because the anesthesia wore off.

see you on friday

The tired sneer of someone who has never actually engaged with macroeconomic labor displacement theories nor read a single credible journal on industrial multipliers.

Let me clarify in precise terms:
Manufacturing, unlike retail, exhibits a higher employment multiplier effect — meaning each manufacturing job catalyzes additional employment in supporting sectors (logistics, maintenance, materials, services), a phenomenon extensively documented in labor economics. Your mistake is conflating first-order margin compression in retail with net aggregate employment impact across the economy.

In other words:
Yes, retail margins shrink when input costs rise, but manufacturing’s re-expansion creates primary and secondary employment gains, stimulates capital investment, and improves trade balances — which over time reinforces domestic wage growth and consumer purchasing power.

Ask any serious industrial economist (not your local factory floor worker quoting surface-level grievance). They will tell you: Reshoring may introduce short-term inefficiencies, but it secures long-term sovereign resilience, labor market diversification, and mitigates strategic dependencies.

Put simply:

You’ve confused discomfort with disaster. An economy that relies on infinite cheap imports is not sustainable, it is terminally fragile. You're describing withdrawal symptoms as though they are the disease.

abcnews.go.com/Politics/trump-tariffs-entice-companies-expand-us-manufacturing-economic/story?id=120635951

Ask any serious industrial economist

ok heres one

can't spell

doesn't understand basic theoretical business incentives

dares to speak authoritatively on applied international trade

you are a fucking RETARD.

retard trying to argue distinctions between manufacturing vs. retail trade while discussing a company (apple) that manufactures goods sold to ordinary consumers (iphones) via retailers

Poo

Very well written post that is wasted in this shithole.

this

the tariffs are still in place
we're still fucked.

they are about to get fucked then i do not care about their share holded or their trillion dollar company evaluation. but they choose to make phones in the usa and your seething they choose to do that. libnigger tears make my cock so hard

youtube.com/watch?v=TV5TwbRzObA

also a retard trying to justify reshoring low margin wagie work (electronics assembly line) with no comparative advantages to be had

also a retard trying to simultaneously argue that 1) DUDE ELECTRONIC TRINKETS WHO CARES LMAO WE NEED PEOPLE BUYING LESS OF THEM WHO GIVES A FUCK and 2) we must secure the existence for iphone manufacturing and a future for consumer access -- it's a national security issue!!!!

Hope you’ve got tissues ready for your WTO report, bro.

the tariffs are still in place

we're still fucked.

this is a bull trap and a suckers rally.
13% os US imports just got a 125% tariff
the eu has implented retailiatory tariffs
china has implented retailiatory tariffs
canada has implented retailiatory tariffs
china, south korea and japan have formed a trade parttnership

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Why do EUs/non americans care about what the US is doing so much? Is this what its like to have a cuck personality?

The only way this country was going to recognize trumpism for what it is and reject it is if the stove actually gets touched. the tariffs that remain are stupid but reacting to bond market movement proved he actually wont put the nation's figurative hand on the stove. He'll keep hovering over it, and after prolonged exposure it will sting a bit, but no one seriously believes it's gonna touch the fire now and give everyone a third degree burn. the 125% tariffs will get taken down to a much lower point in the next 90 days, his team will call it a win, and the price increases won't translate to full on political backlash
I really thought something might happen but I forgot Chudjak's law

>Ask any serious industrial economist

I did. He said: “Trump’s tariffs are successfully manufacturing the incentives to repatriate supply chains. Short-term distortions are an inevitable precondition for long-term industrial rebalancing.”

abcnews.go.com/Politics/trump-tariffs-entice-companies-expand-us-manufacturing-economic/story?id=120635951

ok heres one

You’ve accidentally supported my argument. Let’s unpack this clinically.

Your cited source admits the underlying mechanism at play: tariffs are functioning precisely as designed - shifting capital allocation away from offshore dependency and nudging firms toward domestic production, even if initially under duress.

Yes, the short-term frictions (price hikes, supply chain shocks) are visible. No credible economist denies transition costs in reindustrialization. What your article quietly validates, however, is the macroeconomic reorientation underway:

Capital Repatriation: Margins narrowing abroad force reallocation at home.

Reshoring incentives: Pain is an input variable, not a system failure.

Labor market recalibration: Domestic manufacturing employment rises proportionally to import suppression.

The classical economic view you’re appealing to — Ricardo’s comparative advantage — presumes idealized frictionless trade, ignoring geopolitics, weaponized interdependence, and hostile vendor risk (China). In modern industrial strategy, security externalities override short-term price sensitivity.

In simpler terms, you’ve cited a mainstream source conceding defeat in advance. Manufacturing is not "enticed" by pleasure; it is "enticed" by necessity. We are watching forced adaptation in real-time.

Well sourced. You’ve proven my thesis better than I could have.

Impressive. You’ve managed to confuse retail channels with industrial base. Might want to google "Foxconn" before flexing next time.

because sustaining a sovereign industrial base is only worthwhile if it guarantees luxury margins. Brilliant geopolitical strategy: outsource everything vital and hope your rivals stay friendly.

you're falsely assuming that manufacturing is necessary. Or that a company doing manufacturing now must necessarily continue.

in the real world when margins become slim enough companies simply stop producing. And if they can't do it, there's little chance anyone else can either.

you missed the point of the what the expert was saying. even if tariffs cause pain in the short term there is too much risk that they will be reversed or not enforced to actually wait 5 years and build an industrial supply chain within the US. its just as likely the tariff will be cancelled or reversed by the time the factory goes up and the company goes bankrupt. if trump wasnt cancelling the tariffs constantly there would be merit to your argument but the pure schizophrenia of it isnt a viable platform to invest on

Oh no, how will we survive without infinite Chinese trinkets and 18 camera lenses on every phone?

Clearly the only options are "total dependency" or "give up on technology entirely." Truly, the mind of a genius at work.

here, just in case you want to teach retarded magatards:

How much do you think it costs to make a pair of Nike shoes in Asia?

and how tariffs affect supplies, parts and prices, too:
threadreaderapp.com/thread/1909741170953273353.html

You've just described deindustrialization, not inevitability.

Your logic commits two fatal errors:

1. False assumption of static demand.
If existing manufacturers exit, demand does not vanish — it shifts. Whoever steps in (domestic or foreign) captures market share. Market gaps are not vacuums; they are incentives.

2. Conflation of margins with strategic viability.
Manufacturing has always existed on slim margins. Profitability is relative to risk and the policy environment. With strategic tariffs, the risk profile for offshore production rises while domestic supply chains gain a relative advantage—even if not record-breaking margins.
More importantly, you are ignoring national economic sovereignty.

If your theory were correct, no nation would ever build anything domestically again after outsourcing. Yet we see active reshoring globally in semiconductor fabs, steel production, and defense industries—even at higher upfront costs.

Why? Because capability is existential.

When China weaponized rare earth exports in 2010, Japan didn’t shrug and say, "Margins too slim." They rebuilt the supply chain. Your argument assumes peacetime consumerism will govern policy indefinitely. History and every major conflict say otherwise.

You’re mistaking fragility for finality.

The industry doesn't die; it relocates. And Trump just forced the move.

Only losers wait for certainty. Winners create it.

i guess winners dont have much money to invest then

You’ve articulated the weaknesses associated with capital rather than those inherent in policy.

Your argument mistakenly implies that policy uncertainty justifies paralysis; however, capital tends to hedge against uncertainty. Capital also responds to incentives, allocating accordingly despite transient volatility when tariffs are imposed and maintained.

There are two key points that you may be overlooking:

1. Risk is a constant in all supply chains. China's manufacturing hubs faced significant political, logistical, and military uncertainties during the 90s and 2000s. Nevertheless, capital flowed in because the incentives outweighed those risks. Similarly, tariffs can create comparable domestic incentives.

2. Tariff policies often become self-perpetuating. Once initial reshoring occurs—even if only partially—political inertia will likely favor the continuation of such measures. American voters tend to support reshoring jobs, making reversing tariffs a politically precarious decision. Companies that act early will acquire a distinct advantage once reshoring becomes inevitable.

You’re adopting a trader’s mindset instead of that of an industrialist.

Supply chain investment isn't akin to a short-term options contract; it constitutes a strategic hedge against geopolitical decoupling over a 20— to 30—year period—an initiative already embraced by leading entities such as TSMC, Intel, and Samsung.

The "schizophrenia" you refer to is merely an excuse for hesitancy in capital allocation. History tends to reward the bold.

You've just described deindustrialization, not inevitability.

I never said it was inevitable. You seem to think in black and white, necessary or impossible.

there are millions of production niches that aren't being exploited simply because they're not worth it. It's very easy to turn a worthwhile manufacturing process into one that's not worth it. That's exactly how the US lost most of its manufacturing in the first place.

god forbid i think like a trader on the finance board. i'm just going to keep making money and not hold the bag for nationalism