Trump says he told TSMC it would pay 100% tax if it doesn't build in US

those are completely different process nodes lmfao fucking moron

Don't care. TSMC can charge 2nm chips with 1000 or 10000 or 100000 dollars and Amerimutts must swallow them, because mutts don't know how to make them

Yeah let's have the US just give up on the compute race.

*blocks your path*

korea will simp for america

That is why the same company, which already gets government contracts, can be expanded to provide semis for civilian usage. A 1000x opportunity, if only dumb fucking Anon Babblelet europeans knew what I was talking about.

No retard, you're the giganigger. Literally a public company.

Rtard

military hardware can't run your newest chatbot

Retarded faggot.

You win the computer race by investing in the native company you already have, not chinkshit. Trump is inviting chinkshit to invest in the US to make their case for american protection, but we will just sunset their factories if chinkshit decides to chink.

mutts don't know how to make them

didn't we teach koreans how to make them

you are the retard for thinking some fab plant that makes shitty missile chips is somehow going to be converted to 2nm,

the F-35 runs on FPGAs and 90nm, lmfao

KILL YOURSELF MIGGER

US only makes up 26% of the global market, Trump doesn't have the cards, moving our factories to an industry where the average labor force must earn $30,000/yr plus benefits and rights (vs $1500/yr), to produce for the remaining 74% of the global market is not happening. At the very most we would be willing to set up a phantom factory that imports "Bricked" useless chips like $5 valuation so only that gets tarried and then the final ATP (assembly, testing and packaging) takes place in the US but that would only require a few 100 of jobs not the 100k the he expects from us bringing ALL production to the us ya simply not happening.

Korea got tariff'd too and they sure as hell aren't going to sacrifice their tech edge to America either.

no. we don't even make the UEV machines. that's a euro company called ASML.

Exynos is shit. Samsung is begging TSMC to help it make chips.
wccftech.com/tsmc-will-not-mass-produce-any-exynos-chipsets-for-samsung/amp/

Consumer electronics are not the same as military hardware you retarded migger. Now everyone is gonna be paying a shitload more for electronics that they use every day thanks to our faggot in chief and his sub 80 iq cult members wanting to work in sweatshops.

What happens if China offers the Taiwanese government guarantees of independence (with strings attached like trade agreements) with the condition that Taiwan cuts ties with the US?

The Chinese could just do what they did in Hong Kong and sneak their own people into the government and take over slowly while avoiding confrontations as is their preferred way

Quite telling when S25 uses snapdragon instead of the dogshit exynos.

you are a drooling retard. russia makes some of the best fighter planes, and yet their commercial aircraft are garbage that they themselves won't even use. they'd rather scrounge and smuggle parts for their remaining airbus and boeing planes.

in the same way, american fabs making exotic power electronics in tiny quantities have no idea how to make millions of chips using a 3nm lithography process.

china has tried and failed for many years to do exactly what you're purporting we can do with the snap of our fingers. only the combination of TSMC (Taiwan), ASML(EU) and Apple/Nvidia/AMD(US) can make anything remotely competitive.

Trump is inviting chinkshit to invest in the US to make their case for american protection,

The main reason to protect Taiwan is TSMC, they know the moment this becomes redundant, the chances of they being defended by the US drops drastically.

They are looking at Ukraine and don't want the same for them so they will hold their triumph card very close, rightfully so

What happens if China offers the Taiwanese government guarantees of independence

LMAO

The Taiwanese aren't stupid like you are. They know that when the US onshores chip manufacturing their value to the US will be gone and they'll become a bargaining chip in relations between the US and China. Ìf China puts an offer on the table they might try to make the best of a very bad situation

Youre not old enough to post here

Which countries would help defend Taiwan is China tried to take it?

None. They will send sternly worded letters though.

the chinese aren't stupid either, and realize that trying to invade taiwan will make the 3 day SMO look like a cake walk. ukraine is a flat plain. taiwan is a gigantic mountain sticking out of the ocean, lousy with bunkers and covered in trees.

This line of thought was why Hitler didn't reinforce Normandy

Meant for

God you're so fucking clueless about all of this. You think those fabs are comparable at all? If you were right here in front of me, I'd break your skull with my hands for being so retarded and shitting up this thread.

I bet Japan would actually do something. They're fanatical enough to keep their word on the issue. But anyone else?

he did thoughbeit, it was called the atlantic wall

Who said anything about an invasion? I'm saying that the Taiwanese are fully aware that their usefulness to the US is about to expire and when that happens, they will become just another bargaining chip for the US to trade with China while seeking other more strategically important objectives. Geopolitics 101

Is there a chance for TSMC to join with intel?

calls on intel

China cannot have access to this technology. AI is how we get ahead of them. They got ahead of us with modern high tech manufacturing, so we have to make sure we are ahead of them for the next stage of technological development and we are on top.

The vast majority of these chips will be used in the United States, so they should be forced to make them here. We aren't going to allow them to make key technology right in China's back yard.

TSMC's entire outlook for the future is dependent on multi trillion dollar investment in AI data centers in the United States. Without the US they are cooked.

Nobody else can produce what they do so it's not as if you can buy chips of equal quality anywhere else

Miggers are truly subhuman IQ

What would Taiwan get out of that deal? They already have independence from China. Cut ties with the United States in exchange for what?

he doesnt know

Singapore has troops stationed in Taiwan. This has pissed China off before but Singapore basically told China to fuck off. Singapore has a multilateral alliance including the UK, Australia, New Zealand and Malaysia. There is no joint defense but they do have the immediate need to consult one another. This is all strategic ambiguity bullshit but basically, if Taiwan is attacked, it can be considered as Singapore being attacked which will immediately pull in AUKUS. Why do you think AUKUS was formed in the first place? Its critical that Singapore was excluded for max ambiguity. Singapore is also a "Major Security Cooperation Partner", the only country with this status, its basically a bullshit made up status and Singapore is actually a major Non-NATO ally, everyone treats Singapore as such anyways so if Taiwan is attacked, even without AUKUS, the US can go in, Australia can go in, the UK can go in etc. Japan wants to join AUKUS too specifically to leverage this.

There are still Taiwanese alive who shot chinkcomms in the civil war. It's not happening.

None. The US is the only navy on Earth that can actually sail over there and sink chink ships. If the US checks out, Taiwan is as good as dead (even if a hundred thousand insect conscripts will die trying to cross the ocean), and everyone involved knows it.

Ask yourself, why are there US export controls on a foreign company? Oh, it's because WE own the technology and license it to ASML?

Dunning kruger.

they should stick to selling consumer chips because determinism still hasn't been broken despite decades of quantum and AI advertising
you can always glue all your consumer chips together for your AI supercomputer, that still won't break determinism any time soon
nuke intel and import some taiwanese, the real chinks hundreds of miles better than spics and commies

What Anon Babble think about a limited takeover of Intel by the US government and tasking glowniggers at the DoE with getting their fabrication prowess up to ASML levels? It's super gay we let this happen to begin with.

status: expired

based, now all we need is a ASML plant along with a few ten of thousands trained wafer technicians and we are ready to go!

kek

Intel is already dying, making it state-owned would only make it even less competitive.

already has a fab

already agreed to build more

semis tariff exempt

taiwan one of the first to bend the knee

still dumps

The patents have nothing to do with the licensing agreement, tard.

Japan. If Japan starts leaning towards China because of these tariffs, then Taiwan is done.

Intel is a pajeet infested shithole that can't sneed, go look at their stock

If Trump humiliates Taiwan enough they might unironically capitulate and work with China.
We're seeing the beginnings of the Chinese Century

I'm not necessarily saying state owned, but at some point the government could step in under National Security concerns and prop Intel up and force them to get their shit together. The Department of Energy could 100% help them do it. Intel actually possesses more capable lithography machines than TSMC, they just suck a fat dick at using them.

prop Intel up and force them to get their shit together

And how exactly would they do that? Do you think state officials are better at managing tech companies than the private sector? Intel is a huge company with no shortage of investment funds. Subsidizing trash will only create more trash.

you are so fucking retarded, holy shit.
The US fabs for defense are using old process nodes to make FPGAs/ASICs.
The top end stuff TSMC stuff is not needed for military, aviation and defense because all the fancy tricks in modern processors break the real-time certification needed for fighter jets

government could step in under National Security concerns and prop Intel up

prop Intel up

prop a failing company

AAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

Would be fair, seeing as how everyone does industrial espionage on everyone else. What I really want to see (thanks Palmer Lucky!) is us bringing back 'defectors' as a concept. If you're Chinese with useful skills, the CCP literally will not let you leave the country at the same time as your loved ones so that they can ensure you return. What if a chinese manufacturing expert or 12,000 decides to take his family on vacation to a scenic lake in the hinterlands of China? And what if a CIA pontoon plane lands on that lake, picks him and his up, and somehow they arrive in the US? What if they get 'defector visas'? What if weaponize brain drain harder than we already do?

TSMC has been dragging their heels on the AZ fab this whole time, whining that their aren't enough american clean room constructors to do things to their standard in an attempt to bring in Taiwanese labor, and missing milestones constantly. Trump is telling them to shit or get off the pot. We'll see if anything comes of the 'joint fab' announcement with Intel

You're all forgetting the actually important reasons the US defends Taiwan

the CCP can't get a submarine into open waters without being detected

Taiwan's mere existence is complete mental torture to the CCP, because this poor island rejected their believe structure and excelled because of it.

Not sure they need a takeover. They got a new CEO who can hopefully get them into gear. It wouldn't surprise me if they pull ahead in a couple years. There is always a new leader of the pack every few years in the semiconductor industry it seems. One year it's Intel. Then AMD takes over. Then it's Nvidia. Then it's TSMC, etc., etc.

telling the worlds only source of advanced chips that??
lol, TSMC chips could cost 3 times more and they would still sell, because they are the only ones that can make them.

Oh look, another retard reading bullshit news stories about tsmc who has no idea what they are talking about it. You think they ATTEMPTED to bring in Taiwanese labor? They absolutely did because the union workers there are retarded as fuck.

t. working in that fab for the last 2 years and our projects get repeatedly delayed by the same incompetent union niggers that bring intel to its demise.

based union chads

Americans, you needed to beat or kill the retards among you a decade ago. These people stand for nothing and gleefully watch the world burn, truly ignorant of the consequences.

Taiwan made up their own fucking electrician company and made their own union to replace the beaner one...fucking hilarious

Based union bros. Power belongs to the worker and the farmer, not some stupid fucking retard with a degree in electrical engineering. We hold all the cards.

Power belongs to the worker

Yeah that's why the company you work for pays 50 grand to run a single cable a few dozen yards and only pays the kid 30 bucks an hour for doing the work. Power to the worker amirite?

Does it matter how high the tariffs are? you're still going to fucking buy them, no one else makes those chips. this is so dumb

Mental retardation

Kek

Thanks for filling me in. And what about they Philippines? They have pledged support for Taiwan, but do you believe it?