/smg/ - Stock Market General

edition

Educational sites:

investopedia.com/
khanacademy.org/economics-finance-domain

Charts/Screeners/Data:

tradingview.com
finviz.com/
investing.com/indices/indices-futures
finance.yahoo.com/

Live Streams:

newslive.com/american/cnbc.html
livestreamy.net/bloomberg/
tvpass.org/channel/fox-business

Gambling:

optionsprofitcalculator.com
optionstrat.com/
optionistics.com/quotes/option-prices

Calendars:

marketwatch.com/economy-politics/calendar
earningswhispers.com/calendar
chabad.org/holidays/default_cdo/jewish/holidays.htm
cmegroup.com/trading/interest-rates/countdown-to-fomc.html

Responsible Investing:

bogleheads.org/wiki/Getting_started
sec.gov/search-filings

Misc smg:

portfoliovisualizer.com
finance.yahoo.com/trending-tickers
dividendchannel.com/drip-returns-calculator
brokerchooser.com/

Previous thread:

futures pumping

anime is a bad social investment

i hope wednesday and thursday hit like a truck

super micro is up and stays up
what do they do?

where are the fucking eggs, trump?

desperately back to egg posting even though egg prices already collapsed

Can you ignore macro if you're value investing?

CHINESE SHIP FEE ON APRIL 17 CHINESE SHIP FEE ON APRIL 17

i hope wednesday and thursday hit like a truck

it will be friday when they bill the tariffs and the elites put punishment round 4

You and me both

Bloody Wednesday soon

Crab tomorrow, sell off wednesday

You VILL eat ze eggs.
You VILL work in ze suicide net factory for $5 an hour.
You VILL sell all of your globalist stocks.
Und you VILL be happy.

they're out of stock everywhere nigger

My costco had eggs last week, this was even at night. Egg panic is over.

Pull out of the markets Trump is doing African economics

WHERE IS MY END OF THE WORLD CRASH

Ignoring macro

Ever

The last week is textbook on why you should never, ever ignore macro, you silly little lemming.

last week was a whole different world
check again this week

we are reverse crashing. there will never be a red day again

only eggs we'll be eating are cockroach eggs

Also local stores all have them at $8 a dozen. What is this clown world where an egg is 2/3 a dollar

its irrelevant. you're investing for the exponent not the powerbase. Tho you should be after power as well.

Do you have enough to buy a tranche?
The point where a payout buys you 1 more unit.

nikkers...

I just lost $100k this year
I'm probably not smart enough to be investing, but you guys are my only friends and I feel like I have to be in the market to hang out in these threads, so idk what to do

well, the tariff thing was an absolute nothingburger

put 90-95% of your portfolio in boomer index funds and gamble with the remaining

Normalcy bias
Tulips have always sold so they certainly will tomorrow
Nobody pricing in the US going to war with iran yet even lol

They believed the 90 delay Xweet

Masaka...

was

huh anon, it begin tomorrow

And the negotiations are coming guys

its weird they sell like the world is ending only to rush buy back everything the next day

I wish I earned the kind of money that allows one to lose this much

Cool bug fact
100% tariffs actually dont change profits

priced in

why would it matter at all to the west if someone in a place that people couldn't point out on the map are fighting like they always were

The index face when the JP delegation come back from meeting trump absolutely confused as to what the fuck he's even asking

stop fucking gambling on fucking options if you're not gonna fucking put in the bare minimum fucking effort to learn how to hedge your positions

Didnt watch netynyahoo conference lol

Most of my money is in index funds, that also got hot hard
It was 15 years of savings
Haven't touched options in over a year

awwww anon, rip bozo fren

down 3k

wont it just flatline if you bet in both directions

just buy a stock and let it sit there, itll pay for itself eventually

that makes you more successful than 90% of retail options traders

jesus christ

wont it just flatline if you bet in both directions

90% of all money has already been traded for tomorrow
everyone else is just licking at the scraps

i don't understand this OP image.
like i get how everyone has been inside of her but i don't see why that's a reason to drink.

APOLOGIZE

Europe simply is baffled how to even tariff us back they are too strong

China is getting fucked over tariffs thanks to India the New Indian Century. India has far less tariffs now and its time for China to go byebye

Canada and Mexico now seeing the beauty and getting with the program

Everyone is begging to make new economic deals

Stock market says what the fuck did Trump do America is now going further beyond like we never have before seen better have a +6% day up tomorrow

Basically see you on Mars Base #1 with Elon

i dont even know the sauce of it
sounds hot doe

its just lottery to me but with the difference of it being far less rigged. more often than not a pick has 50-100% returns but like always the house wants a share too sometimes

NO NO NO YOU SAID IT WAS HAPPENING

April 17 is when the new maritime shipping fees hit

It mandates that crews be American crewed and 17 percent of your fleet be Americam

US is far behind even smaller countries

Good luck
Btw

The craziest part of the original proposal is a requirement that within 7 years 15% of U.S. exports must travel on a ship that's made in America and crewed by Americans.

This was the original

Look up Sousou no Frieren

No need to apologize, I supported this every step of the way. It's beautiful to see, isn't it?

everything will be fine

Yeah bro Tariffs of 46 percent won't do anything to the market

India

Even better a new China we owned the Chinese to make a even worse one with large foreign influence

HOW THE FUCK IS IT GOING UP IF THE TARRIFS ARE BEING INCREASED
ARE THEY ALL FUCKING RETARDED

guys trumps not retarded the bulls arent retarded just keep buying as long as you keep buying and stay hyped prices will never go down never ever

Anon i think they've decided to assume everything will be fine

markets are forward looking
we already know china wont back down

How long until meta reaches 1k?

i wouldnt be surprised if the average bull was pricing the likelihood of tariffs happening at 20% or so right now even as everythings burning down around them

who told me to buy TZA on here last night

People are assuming that trump will undo everything and claim victory because niggerville in africa lowered tariffs on foreign goods from 5% to 4%.

invest in ship makers

im pretty sure the happening is cancelled and we're just gonna be going up from here

digits and market will nose dive into -75 percent range Wednesday, war with Iran by Friday

TZA

I'm holding some as well brotha, can just hope later this week brings pain.

Haven't touched options in over a year

Did you not set up ANY barriers for your money in the event of a market downturn? Like not even a simple emergency stop along the way to alleviate some of the pressure? Not any protective puts or spreads to offset losses? Please tell me you've at least protected your principal.
Are you at least still in? Or did you lose it by throwing it in and out of your target stocks and just mistiming everything?
Idk what your positions are man but at this point you might just need to ride it until stable recovery. Maybe look for an advisor that actually knows what they're doing to stop you from hurting yourself. Don't let it go to 0.

I have no idea what this incoherent gibberish is trying to say but the fucking point of hedging is to protect your money and mitigate losses. What trade offs you lose in preemptive damage control is far out gained in avoiding the floor falling out from you. If you have no fucking idea how to hedge while making stable profits, especially with the generational economy we've had, then you should not be in here, you should be in fucking high school.
Taking losses is normal. Letting your losses just snowball into oblivion is not. People rope over this shit.

Why and how did meta go from 113 in Dec 2022 to 736 to Feb 2025? How is that possible???

a 100% china tariff will rape all the furniture stores
they will likely all just close down

"AI"

invest in amish country

when is the stock market crashing
im glad i live near amish

also big box stores
LLM hype

actually the amish must be laffin maybe I should throw all my electronics in the fire and become an anabaptist and go get myself a cute square faced inbred wife

metaverse and AI delusion

2000 couch is now 5000+tip

Trumpettes are resorting to bald face lying now

You're scared.

Every point here is false.

It's literally over tomorrow isn't it bros
youtube.com/watch?v=Wfyupe_412I&ab_channel=JudasPriestVEVO

It's so over.

I thought tariffs were supposed to be bad, but now we're gonna go up on the eve of huge tariffs. So they're gonna fix everything?

Only in Vietnam and Philippines but that comes down to how crushed their economies will be from Tariffs

down 7% YTD

SPY down 14%

I'm beating the market. I'm financial genius.

Lots of businesses are set to be absolutely destroyed by these tariffs, to an appalling degree. There’s simply no short term alternative to them just closing down.

If Trump truly goes ahead with them, we are going straight to a depression and there’s no ifs ands or buts about it.

Yes, now please say "thank you daddy Donald!" and show some gratitude for once in your life.

People think trump isn't going to do it

Unironcally the Americans are retarded this has to be a Soviet plot like those claims about Gorbby and Yeltsin

yes saar!!
now American have turn to India for labor now China out of picture in full. ALREADY happening but even more than before, saars.
total indian domination, see you on mars with sir Elon soon

Chinese and Americans going to die and fight

Have only empowered India even more

So excited for the jeet century

BREAKING: China says it will 'fight to the end' if the US insists on tariff measures

yes saar, once Elon give blessing I KNEW we going succeed for future
going to take cow shit bath celebrate

neither side will cuck

Look foward to see this play out should be a good wargame for Taiwan

I need SQQQ to +100% so I can break even

smartest /smg/ poster

i just bought SQQQ
why is it down?

nikkei is unmoved

i don't even know whats happening desu

overdose on hopium since there was no black monday.
all logic and reason says the end of the week should be bad, but enough to make SQQQ double up is hard to tell

Just ignore it bro they will wait for the Q1/Q2 economic data

Why did I listen to the "Trump is a retard with no plan" crowd. Had I trusted the plan I wouldn't have lost $2k buying puts today.

Based on what? Because he keeps saying he will. Am I not privy to the insider info?

i don't even know whats happening desu

I think that's how everyone feel right now

Because more and more countries are reaching out about negotiations or removing Tariffs despite cool statements like this

priced in

I have to be in the market to hang out in these threads

you can just eggpost, it's ok

high fear volatile panic market. dont expect rational movements at all short term. should probably avoid short term investing unless you're an insider for a little till the storm calms. The risk right now is insane.

I had my gambling account mostly in TQQQ and UPRO. I was watching it closely, but then I got a new job and wasn't able to as much, and then it kept going down but I figured it'd go back up, and then today I finally sold to stop the bleeding. About half the principal is gone. I do have an advised account too, it's mostly boomer funds that they picked, but that got hit just as hard (smaller percent loss, but just as big dollar value since I have more money in it). Retirement funds: same thing.
It's not even the money, since I don't need it right now... it's just... knowing that once again I am fucking moron and will always do the exact wrong thing. My life has been on a steady downward spiral for about 8 or so years, and yeah it's mostly my own fault because I'm a worthless fucking loser. My finances were one of the two things in my life going well, and now both of those are gone.
Yeah, I know I sound like a pathetic whiny bitchy, because I am.

Trump reiterated his threat of 50% duties on Chinese goods if Beijing did not retract its counter-tariff plans by Tuesday. If imposed, US companies bringing in certain goods from China could face a 104% tax.

give up and copy trade politicians instead

i don't want 35 dollar cup of coffee

you can always drink powdered """coffee"""

we are GREEN niggas

I think people assume that shit is about to be so bad Trump will be forced to lift the tariffs
It's logical but also learned behavior, for the past 10 years govt have been quick to appease the market so I think people expect the same thing to happen here

what the fuck is powdered coffee

Oh damn true, I guess I better stock up on Foldgers. Wonder how long that stuff lasts.

bro just annex mexico and central america. you're already planning on taking back the panama canal so who gives a shit if you take all of panama.

puerto rican coffee

true patriots eat american grown bugs and drink "coffee" made in american labs
you will live in the xxtra economy low steel pods and you will vote for trumps 3rd term

Ever heard of Hawaii, dumbfuck? You thirdies have NOTHING to give us but your labor, which is no longer necessary in the age of automation that is coming.

How does a 10% tariff make a cup of coffee go to $35?

yea i was kinda shocked when all the tech stocks started going up, probably a false break out

BASED

yeah it's irrational normalcy bias in investors. i think they really just dont understand that trump doesnt care about the stock market

10%

the super tariffs on the 10th add to it

Brazil is only ten percent though Vietnam is 46 percent

I have 500k. Im thinking of buying 200k worth of NDX tomorrow and swing trade it. Im already late but I may catch a 7% ish move before it dumps again on the 19k resistance. Any comments etc?

Hawaii,

too small

um just plant more in north dakota???

You can brew a cup of coffee for like 25¢. Even 100% tariffs where the cost gets fully passed on to the consumer is 50¢ for a cup of coffee.

ceo's saying ai will replace software engineers, but somehow we're suppose to cry about lost textile jobs

actually those start at midnight on the 9th, so in 26.5 hours

Any comments etc?

can you justify this move as more than a gamble? seems pretty terrifying and too risky

god news reporters are retarded

-4% at open

fake news that the tariffs would be paused make it go +2%

news comes out that was indeed fake so it drops to -1.5%

trumps says hes gonna put a 104% tariff on china

doesnt go back down despite the fact 104% tariff on china wasnt thought possible at open

what did the line mean by this

Ok boys, what is still scoopable?
Oil is looking decent, regional banks are looking priced right, what else? Goyslop majors are still down in the dumps

you've clearly never been to a starbucks. you've also never bought coffee by the lb,. do you even go outside?

we
are
GREEN

But zeroing tariffs is not enough. The countries calling aren't offering what he wants. They need to buy as much US goods or more than they export. Plus pay reparations. It's impossible to resolve before Wednesday.

There are countries that import more from the US than they export and they still got 10% it's clear the only thing they want is chaos

Its the implication. At any time if Trump does walk back tariffs the market will go right back up meaning people are less scared. Its like playing poker with everyones cards face up.

you've clearly never been to s starbucks

Holy shit go back to rddt you fucking faggot.

It's a blatant show of manipulation. Numbers can't go up or down past a certain constraint set by the institutions that run the show. Essentially, number go up, but sometimes the number go down before it go up again.

Sentiment shift. The tweet literally stopped the selling and gave markets hope. What if the leak ya know was true. Just not supposed to be leaked yet

Americans consume an average of 18 cups of covfefe a day. It would require a landmass the size of Arizona dedicated solely to beans to match those numbers.

why is it terrifying?
LOOK at the chart. It looks RETARDED
When charts look retarded, there is always a countertrend pump, simply because many others think the same
If I get it wrong, I own a solid ass ETF at a discount.
How the fuck are you supposed to make money anyway if not by taking swings

what will happen tomorrow

The Snibbening: Part II

l'cancer

Traders say that's not a problem

kys magat. you will eat the cricket powder crispy puffs and drink the carbonated cocokroach milk

but it wasnt a leak it was straight up not real

blatant show of manipulation

true
as a disclaimer i dont trade i just came here today because it might have crashed and this was the place to be
instead i saw the line be fake and gay in real time

I don't think we've seen the bottom.

i went to the trouble to make this, i think its accurate

Yes it is

How the fuck are you supposed to make money anyway if not by taking swings

a well diversified portfolio balancing risk assessment with long term growth potential?

I didn't read most of this thread but that midday pump at around 3:30 was very fake and there is a 99% chance retail is going to get dumped on this week

well kneepads are always an option
and you have a job anyways

just learn how to hedge
if you have big earnings you want to protect theres no reason not to out in the effort to learn how to protect it

this
theres a two tiered stock system and retail softens the blow in the giga short term. big movements are scary atm and insiders know more than i do thats for sure

This. This game of chicken we're playing with China is a major macro event that directly impacts earnings for American companies due to decreased discretionary speaking. The numbers have to be lowered to fit the narrative.

hang seng up 2%

spending*
That'll learn me to post after I take a puff

i doubt my parents would buy anything made from china if the price doubled
that is pretty doomsday for everyone

104 percent Tariffs

up 2 percent

I guess no one knows what this ahit means

if wednesday comes and he doesn't drop them what is going to happen?

Oh no, no cheap low quality plastic crap. Anyway.

Only Taiwan Index is down

LMAO what a retarded war is this

Pomp eet. US stands strong, nothing else compares. Logick? Out ze window.

The Washington Post reports that Elon Musk 'made direct appeals to Trump to reverse sweeping new tariffs'

I think the 104% tariffs are so absurd nobody believe this is a real policy or meant to last
The market would unironically tank harder if trump stood firm at his initial tariffs rate
tldr: it's a bunch of retards playing 4d chess against other

Japan

"I should slurp the dip because I'm sure the negotiations work out with Donarudo-san"

China

"The westerner pigs must be bluffing. Surely they would give the glorious party face after we hit back with a counter-tariff"
I for one think Trump is dead serious about implementing the tariff along with the additional sanction to China.

Based on today new record highs for every stock market
That includes for you

Monitors

LEDs

Laptops

car parts

toys

mouses

speakers

your clothes

headphones

there are qtard billionaires holding the entire market on their back

Based on today new record highs for every stock market

for?

Crazy that none of that stuff can be made in America.

why are futes pumping
why is japan pumping

Elon told him please

If the world's richest man can't convince him I pray Wall Street learns how to fund a revolution their going to need it

WHO SLURPING!?!?!?

a lot of people immediately think cheap plastic crap but a lot of expensive furniture gets made in china, as well as other things.
People are going to wax around saying "buy american made" but there just isn't a big enough market to support it right now so I see a lot of bankruptcies. I know of 2-3 furniture stores that are definitely going to shut down in my area and most of the offerings there are mid to upper quality, still from china though.

We had every bearish news we feared come out today, yet the market scam pumped and crabbed at a relatively higher level. Based on this precedent, the Bloody Wednesday might be a 10% pump instead.

inb4 Trump sics the DOJ on Elon for "tariff evasion" or some shit.

crazy that none of that stuff

IBM went of business the last time it made computers in America you retarded ape

Nah China is going to collapse, Europe will be our slaves and the US will annex Canada. It was literally just that easy and all it took was one week.

any of those things mattering

Elon will bring his wealth back at the very people he helped they better be careful people

how will this bring back manufacturing?

Ah I don't know liberal but those fired office workers can work in the factories now

it doesn't
forced retirement and everything shuts down

Yeah but this time it wont have any competition
So it will get to sell low quality shit with a 400% markup

Trump was right and (You) were wrong.

Based America is back Ford Pinto returns

w-what factories?

who cares? it was never about that

IBM is still in business however.

Serious answer: Manufacturing has to come back, not because of any economic benefit, but because its a matter of national security. We learned this from the COVID supply chain crunches. It's just being sold to the American public as an economic benefit, whether or not that comes to fruition is another story, but really it is about, and always will be about, national security and ensuring we have the proper infrastructure to be self-sufficient for various geopolitical reasons.

war on the horizon

Yep, I'm SLVRPING. Bvllish!

I've never had a cup of coffee in my life. People who "need their coffee" in the morning are addicts. Caffeine is the most socially acceptable drug in the world. More than alcohol and tobacco. I pray for the downfall of all coffee, energy drink, and soda companies.

I fucking hate that little crab bastard

GM saying they don't need to pay their suppliers more tariff disruptions

Good news Americans will drive in tuk tuks

The factories that are gonna take years to build?

We have multiple vassal states for a reason. If we're in a position where we're cut off from all of east asia and western europe then we've already lost the war anyway.

Manufacturing was never the point. The trade war will hit small businesses like mentioned in the hardest due to a sudden hike in import prices. Big corpos can weather the storm with their capital, and even profit from it some from price gouging after waiting for their smaller, local competitions to die. This whole move is designed to attack the vestiges of middle class like the small scale business owners. Yeah, I'm veering into conspiracy territory here, but it might be worth thinking about who this current nonsense helps or harms.

IBM is still on business

As two companies

Lenovo (Chinese they took over the laptops/monitors side of the business)

IBM(Computing/Quantum Computing)

You guys think its worth buying some protective puts for a spy/small cap value tomorrow at around 4500 or 4000 if we rip tomorrow for Wednesday? How far out is a good idea like a month or 3 months? I understand further out is cheaper.

The market is in a state of insouciance. Institutions are stubbornly refusing to pull out until their worst fears have been confirmed. We're going to see a crash, smart to get out now. All it takes is massive tariffs on China and that's already guaranteed.

So any MIGAPEDES explain this to me

Cool story. How'd those "vassal states" work out during COVID?

they also spun out kyndryl or whatever the fuck that piece of garbage is sitting in my portfolio

How did those vassal states work out during covid

Same as they would if they weren't there America needs to import certain things it's impossible to be 100 percent independent

What if it works?
What if every major economy (apart from China) drops US tariffs to 0% and steps up purchases of military equipment or even subsidizes American goods purchases in order to reduce their deficits and retain access to the US market?
What if manufacturers respond by moving production to Vietnam or whatever and China ends up being the biggest loser here while the US rebounds?

then i commit seppuku out of shame and embarrassment over getting btfo by the peach orange

What would be good stocks to buy, I have 40k.

It can also benefit America as a whole at the same time. We have to refinance around $10T within the next year, Fed lowering rates and/or a weaker USD potentially saves hundreds of billions of dollars. It's going to fuck our enemies even harder, particularly China, which holds a lot of US debt and artificially lowers the value of the yuan compared to the dollar. And the best part is USD keeps reserve currency status through all this.

she's talking about husband and children you dolt

vassal states in quotations

South korea and japan are vassal states. Do you seriously think that south korea is gonna tell america fuck off we wont sell you boats?

Steps up purchase of US military equipment

What would they buy exactly you are aware this shit is expensive and you are fucked for building them on top of that yiu have all the epxort approvals needed by congress/state department or as for your second are you expecting for them to be dabbling in inflation as a bonus or create abunch of debt

Buy Thursday, you'll thank me. Avoid TSLA, it's a shitcoin, go into steel, rare earths, lumber, and mining. Avoid crude oil too.

tariffs lead to lower rates

The other way around what the fuck are you talking about? Why would rates go down when inflation goes up? Trump should be doing everything he can to make prices go DOWN, not up.

this what it actually about?

US could implement an autarky if it wanted, with some dead along the way sure, but it could.
Tho it'd require a fair bit of time and proper planning, not retards deciding that they're gonna decouple from everything and magically ship factories in one week.
People would probs buy American if there was fucking American to buy. But I guess it'll be nice to no longer fund chinks but pajeets this time.
The big corpos and their golem in chief hate the middle class as they could serve as a genuine threat to them. So turning them all into lower class, which is both self-hating and culturally mandated to be despised in America, ensures their eternal dominance. You left globohomo to enter nationalhomo.

this is gonna be the U.S. in a couple of decades

Funny you mention South Korea and "boats", because a major component of all this is that we're bring shipbuilding back to the US. Again, for national security reasons. They have quite literally said this out loud.

Ukraine manufactures more drones than anyone at the moment

Bro we will explode any day now as a drone manufacturer

Retarded apes actually these guys literally have none of the supply side networks

The Federal Reserve will be forced to lower borrowing rates to stave off a recession.

At time of low volatility, tossing the money into VOO might be a valid suggestion. We're seeing major volatility though, and prices are trending downward. Put that sucker into HYSA or SGOV and wait until we see slow consolidation then recovery.

epxort approvals

approved US client states can slurp military purchases, everyone else can subsidize purchases of basedbeans and shale or whatever at 300% of market value.
Why won't this happen?
Major economies like Japan and the EU are already showing signs of cucking to the orange retard

Bear Market canceled?

So whats the roadmap of dates to pay attention to? I think Wednesday the tariffs start, Thursday there's a bunch of inflation reports. Are there more tariffs going live on Friday? What about next week?
And I think the EU tariffs are starting on May right?

it's already here have you ever had a loaf of bread in the US? it's all poison
it actually is meant to kill you

It is literally impossible for south korea and japan to tell us to fuck off because of our military presence in those countries.

Ukriane

They assemble them via Chinese parts same as Russia

trump's demands are just too retarded for anyone to even actually accept, like dropping the VAT on US products only

When di the republican party become anti-free trade communists?

tariffs are good

fire doctors/lawyers from govt so they can work in future factories

we are taking money from the rich and redistributing it by crashing the stock market

you don't actually need to own anything

demands that you report any company that raises their prices

China announces plans to impose a 34 percent tariff on imports of all U.S. products beginning April 10

First batch is April

Your also going to start a war

Very smart Anon don't need bombs or any metal

they have their own inhouse production now

he thinks that the fucking MIC of all things is what america doesn't have

Since the cult of personality issues

MIC is what you have

Newsflash it's globalized from Politico
politico.com/news/2025/04/03/trump-tariffs-defense-weapons-supply-chains-00006481
I assume you intend fight with sticks

You're going on a tangent about a completely different and unrelated subject. Is English not your first language or something?

Same, but he does have oddly compelling anime girl representation.

It's a medicine-taking moment, not permanent. Only while the economic structure is reordered. The path the US was on was unsustainable, both financially and its ability to manufacture.

Politico

No they fucking don't they can do assembly but it's like the "Iphones" made in China the Ukrianans can claim whatever bullshit like the Russians but they import from the Chinese

The only country need to get away from is china which is what the government has already been doing for years at this post.

Hearing someone who is clearly poor and uneducated calling a turd world retarded might be peak humour.
Enjoy being smug about about the 10k you’ve saved over the decade, lol. Trump simps are the best.

Many nations already had near-zero tariffs with the US and bought a load of US equipments, US who's also the #1 weapon seller in the world, only so much money in the world
I think the big problem here is that it's hard for any country to form any plan of action because it's unclear what the USA want

The surface answer is because the Republican congress was staffed with Trumo sycophants. Something that hits closer to the truth is that everyone complicit in this is financially vested (read: shorted) in the market crashing.

Bro don't believe it

Your f35 is globalized
defensenews.com/newsletters/2023/04/03/just-in-time-f-35-supply-chain-too-risky-for-next-war-general-says/
Come on I can do this all day you can't fight the whole world and win

MIC is very reliant on Chinese parts and Chinese materials. The one thing Trump is right about is strategic autonomy for defence reasons.

trump is very clear what he wants
he wants to go back to isolationism/protectionism and mckinleyist tariffs

Bro this happened today. I was thinking of this dude after the things I saw. Having 100k of SQQQ crash 30% on me in 5 minutes of owning it while missing 600k gains on SOXL by 41 cents.
Shit was wild and unreal, only to be lost like tears in the rain.

It has to be done, bro. Last time Trump only placed the tariffs on China, so they just moved their shit through other countries first to avoid it. This is all about bringing China to heel.

The water is poisoned too. Without imports the U.S. would be a wasteland. It's absolutely pathetic.

Didn't Ackman accuse Lutnick of being long in bonds or something?

The tariffs don't only affect china. People keep bringing up china as some kind of argument as if china is the only country that trump put tariffs on.

its a maga retard fell for it again alking point. the loss writeoffs decreasing revenue would already offset the change in bond yields. the US is just shitting itself and expecting the rest of the world to wipe and thats the best steelman you can attempt to make for a genuinely unexplainable strategy.

Literally this but Trump with his other world War trade gas basically shot the MIC in the foot he better pray this doesn't fuck the sentinel ICBM program

my nikkei calls are pumping

Trump is conflating trade deficit with tariffs. The idea that we can somehow strong arm every country on earth into buying more things from the US than we buy from them is kind of silly.

theres lots of monkey business in international trade that are not tariff related. i am not an expert but i have heard of things like china buying tons of nvidia product through singapore and australia banning us agriculture imports. i'm sure there's tons of that. EU is very protectionist

Knew Trump would cause a crash

But now don't know how low it will go

Ah the eternal question. Do you buy in now and lock in solid long term gains or do you wait and hope it falls further.

Japan I get, they crashed too hard yesterday and with the US reversal and America looking more negotiable I called this one, I predicted %4.
Futures makes no sense to me. Seems a mere rumour both stopped the bleeding and reversed the course… Though the game is long and it won’t go straight down.

Was just one example. And China is also the most notable target even if they are affecting everyone.
I fear so many strategic programs are going to be in limbo especially if there are any more budget cuts. Sentinel and B-21 should literally be untouchable due to their importance. And I say that with great disdain for the airforce and their money gobbling.

Apple literally rushed to move items

Apple has arranged an "air bridge" from India to the US to bypass Trump's tariffs

In the last three days of March, the American company urgently transported five cargo planes with iPhones and other equipment to the US, The Times of India reports, citing a high-ranking official.

Apple tried to get ahead of the entry into force , which Trump introduced in April for almost all countries. According to the publication, the shipment of products from Chinese factories was also accelerated.

So is the market just completely ignoring the 50% china tariffs? Why futes green

What other unfriendly country do we rely on for defense manufacturing?

Yes. Outright said that Lutnick and Cantor were long on bonds and this was exactly what they were after and that he literally does not give a fuck about the market.

That was already priced in.

stock market pee pee poo poo
or poo poo pee pee ?

Trump is the opposite of clear, he want to export more americans good, but also go back to protectionism?
He want isolatinism but still bomb the houthis, vow to defend Israel and threaten Iran a few hours ago?
He want to have "clean balance" but tariff net importers like the UK?
He also doesnt seem to know what a tariff is?

Nobody has any idea of wtf is going on right now, I'm starting to think it isnt 4d chess at all

I bought some SQQQ to protect me in case this is 2007. Plan on selling half at Nasdaq down 35% and the rest at down 40% from ATH.

I agree with sentinel you need to modernize the US nuke grid the Russians spent more money there as for b21 you need to decommission the b1s they seem to be dying like tu22s

Not going to happen

sexo market

he's very clear with what he wants, people just can't comprehend he's that stupid due to normalcy bias

And the xi counter tariffs?

I’ve thought about that, it’s a possibility. Unlikely but not zero.

wont it just flatline if you bet in both directions

this is the dumbest investment community i have ever seen

see
Japan and China are calling what they see as a bluff. Maybe they're right, or maybe Trump may actually move forward in this.

Also priced in.
The counter-counter tariffs?
Priced.
In.

Canada apparently. Shit the whole world is supposedly unfriendly. But no if you mean actually unfriendly it's just China. Saudis and Israel if you want to get a little cunty about it.

nothing ever happens

futures

Oh yeah and even the Americans aren't sure what to make of this fiasco lol

the tariffs have reached such a point of ludicrousness that even the Hang Seng is floating around 2.5-3% right now

Either market movers are saddling momentum and setting themselves up to pivot on fake support in the event tariffs go live, or they just outright believe trump will walk them back or start opening up exceptions.

she so hot. she needs to start having kids

Get it through your thick skull.
China is an exporter market and the root of our problem with them is that they DON'T BUY SHIT FROM US! 50% of 0 is what now?

Do the EU count as unfriendly or is it too early?

Problem is trump wants reparations and tributes for the deficit, not free trade

He's very clear. Tariff is his favourite word, he wants a trade surplus not just even. Even if there's an existing surplus he wants it bigger. How is he the opposite of clear? People are just trying to hope something else is true.

What about the 250% giga counter-counter-tariff?

americans need to have their cake and eat it too and also have everyone else's cake and eat everyone else's too
balance the budget but cut taxes and increase spending
fix the economy but destroy all trade everywhere
reshore manufacturing but make raw materials impossible to buy
use tariffs as a negotiation scare tactic but also as a negotiation strategy
people just tell trump "is this your plan?" and if he thinks it makes him look smart he says yes. Dude is a political rorschach test making random decisions based on fleeting emotional impressions. just imagine trump as if your senile grandpa was in his shoes and all of his actions become easier to understand

I just lost $100k this year

If you never sell you never lose money.

Just buy the fucking SP500 index already. Its over 300 years of statistical proof that the US is out performative in comparison to every other nation. It would be China, but they're not capitalist.

Unless you're an ausfag then you can buy the local index instead because these dumb fucks decided franking credits was a good idea which it is for richfags but not society at large.

Get on it Anon!

so whats the verdict, did it crab today because of the fake news story from twitter?

For sure. Japan and China are sure they can negotiate/dickslam their way out of that too, which is what I attribute the green day to.

Yes it did lol

DON'T BUY SHIT FROM US!

China has roughly $150B in imports from the US
But they export nearly $600B to the US which is why the deficit is lopsided, the US loves their cheap consumption.

There is such a massive trade imbalance that China is NEVER going to win a trade war. Sorry, it just isn't happening is all. They're like a startup that has one customer, and then that customer says they want to renegotiate the deal. They can seethe and cope and threaten, but they eventually will have to cave and get the best deal they can or go out of business.

How do you account for futures being green?

Exactly. That 150B is like a rounding error to us. We give that shit away to Israel and Ukraine like every quarter. They could tariff it 2 trillion percent and we wouldn't care. They on the other hand literally need our business to survive.

I did that today and got stopped out on fake news down 25% on 25k like a clown. Good idea though. Like 3% of portfolio never stop lossing again while I have a job though lol

The fake news was an excuse for fake and gay short liquidity drain, and the crab was an artificial floor to secure retail exit liquidity for the D-day.

$150B in imports puts them as the 3rd largest US importer behind only Canada and Mexico (who have long been beneficiaries of NAFTA)

I get the bit you're doing though.

Wednesday will be the Bearification Day in America

Why can't India accidentally nuke itself or something, they can't even build rifles, so nuclear meltdown shouldn't be a tall ask.

Trap for bloody wednesday

No one thinks trump is going to do it..

Who would I go through for that?
My credit union has a 4% 9 month CD promo.
I wouldn't put everything but maybe like 35k

I don’t understand. I’m not some retard who believes in conspiracy theories. I know this was the madness of crowds.
It’s still wild how quickly and wildly it flipped, than stopped the bleeding, than reversed the market in Japan and futures. Japan by a lot.
Seriously, what the fuck? NVIDIA is back at 100 after 88.

Again the issue is that it's a small amount and should be much much bigger.

I'm still on the fence
Americans are truly retarded, whereas all Chinese have the cock cage firmly on. It's a race to the bottom, I think red hats are just retarded enough to "win"

Big money trying to secure more retail money before rugpulling when the reciprocal tariffs hit on the 9th

I mean it makes sense why. It’s pretty much free.

Definitionally it being 3rd means it's not a small amount. Lots of critical US industries are reliant on Chinese consumption particularly commodities, things like tariffs on Basedbeans are particularly damaging because the Chinese love their onions based ingredients.
I tire of this.

Crashed 28% immediately after buying. Absolute worst timing.

Hahahaha

This shit is so retarded, over the top and senseless that people are 100% convinced it wont last
I'm not sure if it's retarded or gigabrain move at this point

What does China make that the US can't live without? Conversely, China's economy is propped up by a fake and gay housing market which should have collapsed two years ago. The US rugging them will be the end unless they capitulate.

That's already priced in, bobo.

Mmmm, based beans and onions…

why play with stocks when you can get a tomcat and play with his balls
like i am

4% is pretty damn good. See if you can open a HY saving account with them through the app or the website. Also look into SGOV. It's a government-backed super short-term bond ETF, and it pays dividend that's about 5% yield. The dividend is also exempt from fed/state income tax, but do your own research for that.

australia is going to

do nothing

win

btw

Same bro, same. I’m so tired boss.

Someone bake a new thread I want to make an announcement

Australia

Win

We're already fucked beyond repair

Liberation Day was also priced in, anon

its weird that they keep oscillating between keeping the filter on and turning it off, I've seen sœy being posted without the filter quite recently on this board
likely unintentional I guess, must be some bug under the hood

Trump seems to already be demanding the interest rate be lowered by the Fed. What exactly will happen when tariffs + inflation + lowered interest rates?

hyperinflation

I'm saying all 3 should be higher. Being 3rd in a shit race isn't good.

lmao retard

inb4 some seething troon screams about boba tea or gatcha video game scam mechanics

Hello. What Chinese stocks do I buy? I just can't take Americans seriously anymore.

Low IR means more debt, which means more buying of assets, which means inflation. Trumps master plan is to tank the world then buy it up with debt.

This is ideological at this point, focusing on the trade terms is stupid. It's a game of chicken. Chinks are used to poverty and shit, so there's that.

SGOV

How does this work, I look at it and I feel retarded.

Maybe! Race is long.

its the mark of an evil king

i want what i want when i want it

americans will invest in oscilloscopes

According to the 4D chess talk, Trump gets to refinance the govt debt with that lower interest rate. Decreasing the debt -> Deflationary spiral -> Lower cost, supposedly. Even if this assumption is true, it'll be a cold day in hell when the corporations start decreasing their price and by extension, their profit margins.

buy at the beginning of the month

sell at the end of the month

profit

The biggest problem right now is a lack of experience. Everyone from the previous big tariff wars is dead. We only have articles describing it. Despite this some people are under the assumption they can force it to happen.

What are the best Chinese "defense" stocks? I'm sure they will make out great when Trump goes to war with Iran. DJI? Would BYD benefit from war at all? I was thinking of buying them anyway since they are tariff proof.

Buy some of these, red is a nice color.

Trump seems to already be demanding the interest rate be lowered by the Fed.

It won't happen. Economically the US is fine. The tariffs won't reflect in companies actions for a long time which honestly won't be much either, because US citizens already buy too much crap from China and they will just stop, that impacts other countries not the US.

deflationary spirals wreak havoc on economies, only a completely ignorate Anon Babbletard would think that's a genius master plan

You really shouldn’t hold sqqq multidays id sell and rebuy after the green day tomorrow. Im done with it though I am just gonna buy some protective puts way less effort than shorting with leverage even with inverse etfs.

the cost is too high, you get a slightly better interest rate by obliterating half of all commerce forever, congratulations on making a lot of people hate you lol.

How is it 5 percent if it goes from 100.16, to 100.60?

Tencent

Impacted by tariffs in any shape or form when their product is owning a range of video games

This one makes 0 sense

Every time it drops that's a dividend being paid out to the holders. So you keep the money, it's not gone. If you reinvest dividends, you get about 5% per year from SGOV right now, so long as interest rates remain high. If the fed starts dropping interest rates then all of these high yield savings account style investments become a lot worse.

40k

GAW on the London Stock Exchange.

Kek

20% of all jobs are directly related to trade

Payouts from dividend stocks come out of the stock price itself. SGOV pays out every month leading to the sharp drop, and it climbs up over the next month until it pays out again. The ETF price remains consistent while it distributes money monthly. In practice, it works like a gigher yield HYSA. Don't buy in on the ex-dividend date though. Then you get hit with the drop and don't even get the dividend for that month.

That makes sense. Should I just dump to the high yield CD since it would be easier and just do research while it matures?

The jobs won't go anywhere, people will also end up saving more by not over-consuming cheap shit from China.

Nothing Ever Happens.

You're forgetting the deregulation piece, which the administration hasn't talked much about (yet, because I think they intended to cause this panic to force the Fed's hand).

Yeah let's just price entire generations out of the middle class permanently rather than have a temporary recession for a year to offset the massive hyperinflation of the past 5 years. Great plan genius, surely this won't lead to a Zimbabwe or Argentina style economy.

tariffs are directly the reason why Argentina has the economy it does retard LMAO
if you want deflation you want an early 1930s economy

fyi I know it's a ways out, but betting odds that the Fed vote to cut rates is slated for July (backtracked through last winter, though that'll likely change if there's significant inflation increase as I doubt they'll change rates all year if so) so if you do go in be wary of that July 30th FOMC

What if Chinese people just start buying more Chinese stuff? That way they don't need to sell anything to Americans. Isn't the whole problem that Chinse people don't consume enough? They already make everything anyway and it's usually cheaper and better quality too. They already ditched foreign cars.

So, my intuition was right and crabs won this one. So we wait for Wednesday or some new real or fake news in between.

What if people just stop buying stuff in general?

You're assuming that what the US consumes would be transferred to the Chinese market. Culturally they're not over-consumption whores like US citizens so its unlikely they'll help.

They make more stuff than what they actually need. China's economic model is dependent on them being an export superpower.

retard cope, what more can i say

Oh OK Anon

if you want deflation you want an early 1930s economy

No, but I wouldn't mind a 2008 correction at this point. You however fail to explain why exponentially rising prices that outpace wage growth year over year is any way beneficial for anyone except for major shareholders of companies or private equity asset managers.

because deflation is a whole other horrific can of worms you don't want to open
your living standards would crater

lets ruin everything forever and see what happens instead

I wouldn't mind a 2008 correction at this point

No you don't. Banks getting heemed left and right is not fun.

deflation would absolutely FUCKING DESTROY YOUR LIFE you do not want it retard

Yah. And the new Indian CEO just fired a lot of American workers and rehired for their positions in India. IBM is a global corporation headquartered in the US with all manufacturing overseas. Now the IBM US footprint is shrinking too.

Yup. In an ideal lala land, deflation would mean while you earn less money, the same unit of money would go further. In real life, the suppliers will do all they can do discourage competition and keep the prices the same. You earn less money, and your standard of living decreases proportionally.

They've done better than ever since then. The small and medium ones were cannibalized by the large ones and they've never looked back.

BAKING

reuters.com/markets/asia/indonesia-stock-exchange-says-20-fall-would-see-trade-suspended-day-2025-04-08/

Could be worse, you could always be indonesian

They make more stuff than what they actually need.

The scenario I'm proposing is that they become hyper consumers like Americans and buy more than they need. Run up credit cards buying dirtbikes and shit.

But it's not like people still didn't have savings accounts? And stocks rebounded after just a few years and home prices cratered

I had a low class job in 2009 that could afford an apartment right in downtown Miami, I could even eat out and shop from time to time. The same cannot be said now despite my wage being 400% higher in an advanced and skilled career. In many ways, living standards and quality of life have gotten worse since the COVID inflation era than even the 2008 GFC. We need a correction and we need it bad.

What did China mean by "fight to the end"?

We were China in that situation and Europe was.

if a deflationary spiral occurred you'd be living in a shantytown hunting for rats for food, deflation is horrendous

What can bugs do against so much spray?

Deflation is you live in Zimbabwe, Pennsylvania and pay 2000000 trump bux for bread, you fucking retard

so why would you want a 2008 repeat but where the only ones left to get heemed are the ones everyones pigeonholed into

As an export country, China has an infrastructure that demands workers to work more for less. Your everyday Chinaman simply can't afford to indulge in consumerism, be it in either time or money. To change this would mean overhauling their entire economic system. Definitely easier said than done, and we haven't even taken the CCP into account.

2007/8 was a blip on the way to the longest bull run in history. No one was hunting for rats to eat lmao.

you're only pretending to be retarded, right anon?

trump wants countries to remove all regulations and controls (he wanted australia to remove our medicine price controls for example so american pharma companies can ratchet up the price of insulin 8000%) so that america can dump low quality dangerous dogshit on all foreign markets and make them pay US treasuries for the privilege

not enough money to buy x thing, x thing costs too much now

not enough money to buy x thing, money is worth less than the paper its printed on

wow it's like we have the fed to make sure neither happen

God, that would actually be quite funny.

Not for the people losing their jobs however.
Plus you give congress any opportunity to blast minimum wage regulations into the sun, they'd take it in a heart beat.

Fucking dumbass, the 2008 GFC was a deflationary event. No one was eating any rats you dipshit. Good job on giving literally 0 arguments or examples on why a temporary and normal recession is in any way bad in a healthy economic cycle. You are dumb as fuck.

Chinese home ownership rate is higher than American and many Chinese own multiple homes. It's actually quite easy for them to move out and live on their own.

No one was hunting for rats to eat lmao

the many many many many people that were foreclosed on and buttfucked by bank shenanigans certainly weren't feasting any grand feasts

2008 didn't have any meaningful deflation, house prices remained way too high

People weren't eating rats but many people did have a stint of living in their car due to the bank coming to collect on their foreclosure

sounds like you actually want mass deportations

So everything will magically come down in cost but your wage will stay the same and purchasing power improve? Could you tell me the how a tariff war and global economic reset will do that? Because all of this genuinely just sounds like those old Anon Babble troll science comics

China has also been experiencing deflation for the past 5 years since COVID ended. What a coincidence, people can actually afford shit.

Lol, imagine the same government that sang praises about the supply-side economy now attempting to fix the economy by killing consumer demand. Trump could have started an initiative to build affordable housing and be hailed as a hero, but that would be hurting his bottom line as a real estate tycoon. Fat chance of that happening.

Bissent trying to do a hail Mary and get the message switch

Ok that explains why markets are rallying

Because their economy is propped up on a literal fake and gay housing market.

They shouldn't have been approved for those loans in the first place, and in many cases they just walked away and the banks (taxpayers) ate the losses. We need a housing market reset.

your average chinaman probably doesn't care to own 3 EVs, 27 drones, 6 smartphones, and 19 designer handbags

Thats not a good thing in the long term
If you think shrinking the dollar is going to make a house cost less in the states, you're a fucking retard lol
Wanna know why houses are expensive? Because of corporations and banks being allowed to own houses and 40 year mortgages existing

Ok genius, maybe not an island with minimal livable areas like Australia, but Brickell area Miami luxury condos were selling for $200-$300k a pop, now theyre all worth well over $2 million.

Regardless of Clinton's ill begotten free gibs programs for housing, the point is 2008 recession was not helpful.
Many did not recover. The ones that "recovered greater than ever before" where the bastards that got bailed out and have plunged us right back into misery barely a decade later lol

Australia was effectively untouched by 2008

Will trade war increase my odds of getting an asian waifu?

no because he tanked AVAV stock by refusing to export to ukraine. Hes just retarded. Do not believe he has ANY clue on what he is doing he just goes off of gut feeling

baked

after all, why not? why shouldn't I go all in on SOXL?

Do I wait for Wednesday to start buying at the lowest because the Yafiffs officially hit or do I buy first thing tomorrow and ride the pump?

You think thats the average American? Some of you have never been anywhere but rich costal areas and it shows.

living in their car

You mean like they are now?

That's because they built so many that they are now knocking down excess. It also nearly killed their economy with that Evergrande company.

They can be just as consumerist as anybody, but the working class were indoctrinated from birth to never even be able to aspire to more than a worker drone that pops out more slaves past a certain age. They're paid subsistence wages to just eke out a survival. It's not that they're not capable of hedonism, they just don't have the money to consoom.

I don't think tomorrow is going to have much of a pump. It'll open green, sure, but that green will decay as the day goes on and smart money starts to frontrun Wednesday.

The only reason you should be buying now is if you think Trump is going to back down. If Trump backs down tomorrow and you buy ahead of it, you will become very rich.

Stop you guys talked me into sqqq today.. ok maybe $5k tuesday only.

Because their economy is propped up on a literal fake and gay housing market.

That bubble already popped which is great for my African Wave plan to turn China into a superpower. It would also supercharge their birthrate since African breed like rabbits and large, suburban homes are great for raising kids. Tthe urban Africans will reproduce with the Chinese women who remain behind. This could have a dysgenic effect, but if you assume that the "Han flight" phenomemon would serve as an IQ filter, it wouldn't be so bad. Chinese women are also very controlling so they would tame the impulses of the African migrants. But wait, this would mean you can only import African males to make sure the new caste of coloreds is not a fully African minority, meaning it would have Chinese characteristic allowing them to integrate better.

What reason does he have to back down?

Biden could've done the same, instead him and Kamala just wanted to campaign on abortions, transvestites and Taylor Swift. And you're still surprised why you lost.

He doesn't. If he backs down then it's over, his whole plan is gone and the US suffers immensely for him having tried it.

He's trapped. Even if he delays it it won't do anything, all the negotiating partners will suddenly start waiting him out and their exports will boom as US companies stockpile imports.

Trump is halfway through the river of blood -- he has to keep going because of sunk cost fallacies. The only way he backs down is if he has a fucking epiphany and realizes this is in fact economic suicide.

Trump is actually going to do it. One thing about the guy is he doesn’t cuck. Hasn’t given a shit since getting shot. If Obama wouldn’t have made fun of him he wouldn’t have ran. Only reason he did. I love him.

I bet you're a load of fun at parties.

which is great for my African Wave plan to turn China into a superpower

funny but also based

Bullshit you retard. Lowering rates in the heavy inflation scenario Trump has created will lead to hyperinflation. Lowering rates won't happen for quite a while.

TWO MORE WEEKS

I got to learn how puts work as this is purely my what if 2007 protection and you are probably right.

Go be retarded somewhere else faggot.

youtu.be/zStn70Ot4r0?t=25

Yeah, that's how contracts work, sometimes you end up eating the costs when you thought you were gonna fleece them.
Unless it is China, they just break contracts the second they go red for them.

china's word is ironclad
unfortunately it is clad in chinese iron