/smg/ - Stock Market General

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trump wants to refinance the national debt and he needs the fed to cut rates so he's crashing the market to force their hand

he cannot come out and say this so they're just throwing shit out to keep people confused and afraid, this is why the messages are mixed

it's our super weapon

it's their super weapon too

hopefully we dont have to use them

EXIT THE DOLLAR
FLEE NOW

Can he keep the press going for the next 10 minutes?

inflactionary tariffs

forcing the fed to cut rates

are you retarded or just retarded?

yeah, Anon Babble told me! saw this in an infographic

em excuse me but i have $5 in my robinhood account, what to buy? thanks

Trump has added "the tariffs could be permanent, we are trying to make some deals. Have a great relationship with Xi, hope it stays that way... Japan needs to open up....the EU will have to buy energy from us

yuan, the new reserve currency

get two blowies from ya sista

God i dont understand the braindead American investors, having weaker dollar and more competitive products would require the US citizens to live at lower level of standards and require them to consume far less then they currently do, trump is literally thinking about defaulting on debt, the world is going to a world war and tensions are escalating, and despite all of this the US markets are barly down, when the trump objectives would require a depression to actually be achievable, wtf, how delusion are amrimutts

If trump and Netanyahu started wrestling in the oval office rn how would the market react

PUMP

Green for green Jello, red for red Jello.

Well, at least it is ending red, right? Right!?

how delusion are amrimutts

as a mutt myself, you have no idea how fucking retarded the average person here is
you know all your country's stereotypes of us? they are being much too kind

This image murdered a billion portfolios

yahoo's voices is so fucking funny, it's like big pedo dick energy

If we crab all the way to close I stg lol

The usa got the worlds by the balls, minus russia/china

mixed messages

i should call her...

Nobody believes that can happen.
That's what it boiled down to.
We can't even imagine it.

down to a freebase lmao

I don't understand obese people, don't they realize the way out of obesity will mean to consume less?

Same applies to money, the Era of debt is coming to an end, only a kike would see that as a bad thing.

clown makeup

Nasdaq is going to close at exactly 0%

-_-

Xi strikes back!

DING DING DING DING
BULLS AND BEARS GOT FUCKED TOGETHER

far less consumption and lower standards of living would mean far less profit for most company's and would require a entire rearrangement of economy where most company focus on services would need to collapse or at least massively down size so that the workers and economy can switch to manufacturing, you can argue that would be better for the economy in the long run but it should crash the stock market (great depression level crash), since most company's and businesses would need to die or down size

Crabs win.

I got transferred to cash and gonna see how the reat of the week goes. Being a real broker is too hot for my blood.

I think there's a liquidity crisis.

How dumb do you feel right now?

-12%, pretty damaged.
I had the perfect setup to end the day +6% and I didn't follow it, because I wasn't confident in my own short squeeze prediction, so this L is on me. Fuck, I was +5% at some point and considered selling due to how dangerous the day was and still didn't do it.
This is a loss due to my personality, not a loss due to my prediction.

well he thinks VAT is a tariff, removing the VAT is out of the question so it's a deadlock unless he folds

today was incredibly schizophrenic.

The world will kneel to our retardation, we are so dumb and unpredictable that the only way to fight us is to stand still and let it happen

So what's next, liquidity crunch to asset sell off?

NO CRYING IN THE CASINO

what's so arrogant about it? we're obviously not gonna let ourselves be coerced into a bad deal.

um panican bro's i think i'm panican

tariffs are being paused for 90 days!

+8% injection into the market

erm actually that was fake news...

-8%, day ends -0.1%

but m-muh technical analysis!

VIBE market only. just go with the general vibe of social media bro

LOL THE SHORTS DIDNT EXPECT THE CRAB INTO AFTERHOURS SLURP

GET LIQUIDATED BOBOS, EL CLASSICO!!!!!!!!!!

Give me one reason not to nuke the New York Stock Exchange

it might be funny to see what they get up to :)

DLTR...

Enjoy your week baggies!

This type of chaotic price action, 5% drop at open, algo-driven fakeout rally, retail FOMO pumping it to +4%, then institutional sell-off, is a hallmark of market structure breakdown and a potential bear market acceleration signal.

in your own words, explain what part of "the deal" is bad

will we get our crash bros
feels like the imminent collapse energy has dissolved
we'll magically be back up to 600 by year end and have 20% YOY returns for the next decade

Time to consult Da Chart™

so this is from the CEA chairman per the white house

Let me clarify that by “reserve currency,” I mean all the international functions of the dollar—private savings and trade included. I’ve often used the example that when private agents in two separate foreign countries trade with each other, it’s typically denominated in dollars because of America’s status as the reserve provider. That trade entails savings housed in dollar securities, often Treasurys. As a result of all this, Americans have been paying for peace and prosperity not just for themselves, but for non-Americans too.

can someone explain this? how does foreigners buying and holding US currency mean that that is bad for US citizens?

So who won and who lost?

also time to consult the graph

Tarrifying Tuesday back on the menu boys
youtube.com/watch?v=MLBhtR3Bz_M

who lost?

Democrats and unelected globalist institutions. They're going broke from this crash.

americans own those dollars, you stole them

I got a double sided silicone stroker today but it was kind of mid. What male masturbator do I invest in now? No fleshlights

curious how this all develops. tsla earnings call in two weeks, kinda want to hold my put till after earnings but holding through earnings is really questionable

Effective May 16th

that's over a month away. might as well be next millenium. by that point i'll have bought my 5 year stockpile of rice and beans.

Negotiations are on the table, until they arent, until they are, until they arent, until they are again

maybe you're just a hyperbolic liberal who has a distorted world view who then screeches about it like a woman

how fucked am I on money in on SQQQ @ 55.83

Did you really buy soxl puts near the bottom like a fucking retard

Lmao

Where else would you buy puts?

Not at all since Trump will announce additional tariffs on China tomorrow

ONLY THE WEAK WILL FAIL

tomorrow we open at +5% while the world dumps again

you’re good as long as tariffs happen wednesday.
May I recommend: TECS
overpaid for TECS shares this morning :/

Jerked off 4 times from market open to close to cope with the stress

bottom

lol, lmao even

trade with US is lopsided because the US makes garbage products that no one wants

how delusion are

Fuck off ESL tard.

Its like you've never been in business. There's always room to negotiate.

dont, youll kill your dick sensitivity for awhile like me

On top of being too expensive

no, japanese will love giant inefficient trucks that guzzle gas

I think today was the hulk dildo before the dump but that would be hilarious. People I work with who are balls deep into index funds are panicking so I bought calls

the bad deal is that american businesses face regulations in europe that european businesses do not face in america

This China will love American cars like the f150

wahhh why won't ebil europoors buy our cars

Donald, try producing some non-garbage cars, maybe?

more like most of the world cant even afford to buy stuff that the usa makes. does trump really think south east asian peasants are going to be able to afford american products?

i am far more "right wing" then 99.9999% of people you low iq dumb ass, to the point that i refuse to be associated with the right wing and the rest of the braindead right wingers, now pls explain to me how the fuck would the US export as much as it import and reindustrialize and go from 10% of gdp in manufacturing to closer to 50% without what i said actually happening

This isnt business, this is called dysfunction when multiple departments dont talk to each other

put in request to rebalance 401k on sunday

showed as it would go effective today

market closed

doesn't show the transaction anymore

try to move it manually a different way

says i can't while one is pending

am i getting jewed?

Well you every country is like America right?

trump administration has talked about VAT and agricultural product standards as trade barriers they'd like removed. removing VAT and replacing it might be possible, but is batshit insane when it's not discriminatory towards imports. and of course that transition would be costly, take time, and introduce uncertainty into the markets. pretty bad deal there. as for agricultural products, the US produces cheaply but not to our quality standard -- we don't want the US to dump their overproduction of chlorine-washed chicken into our markets and dilute these standards.
zero percent tariffs on cars, industrial machinery... all this is fine and could've been discussed without 20% broad-stroke tariffs. but the US is hinging this on parts we certainly don't want. and it's not like the US is doing us a favor with cars/machinery, this would be mutual benefit. so there's no 'tit for tat' here that'd warrant us accepting those bad parts to balance the deal.

the regulations are same for everybody in that trade zone, european companies have no competitive advantage

no

everything we used to make is made overseas you retard

He said it's because their currency is made weak on purpose. If 1 vietnamese dong is $1 USD they can afford it.

he cannot come out and say this

so why has he been posting about it repeatedly and whining about powell every chance he gets?

european businesses face the same regulations here than american ones do. it's a fair and level playing field. just a different one from the one you have on your side on the pond. why should your companies here be treated beneficially compared to our domestic ones?

If 1 vietnamese dong is $1 USD they can afford it.

this will never happen.

"thirdies can make better and cheaper products than americans" isn't the win that you think it is.

nope it's full of loopholes for euro businesses

such as?

Remove VAT

That literally anywhere from half to a quarter of total tax revenue does Blumpf understand economics or no

Our companies took their manufacturing away from the US because of cheap slave labor they're not allowed to have in the US. Are you retarded? It's the same product.

i just wanna know why hasset said what he said

Then they'll have to produce shit in the US. It seems clear he wants to end cheap labor because the artificially weak currencies are taking advantage of the US. So prices have to go up, obviously. One way or another.

you should ask yourself if americans could afford american made consumer products first

Sars I am just a small time stock investor from India. I am waking up at middle of morning night early AM to lots of commotion in the stock marketing. Please explain in SIMPLE TERMINOLOGIES why the market is going like this. I do not know how tariffs work - I write JavaScript for a living.

Took almost 3 weeks for mine to go through. Of course I did it in February because I’m not a brain dead Anon Babbletard and could see how fucking stupid Trump’s policies would be.

locks everyone into a room with a gasoline and a match

start the fire before negotations start

OK TIME TO MAKE A DEAL BEFORE THE SMOKE KILLS US ALL

uhhhhhh, japanese bowling balls

well i know they cant, but expecting nations with even lower standards of living to afford it is fucking retarded.

it seems he does not.

go ahead, please, elaborate.

orange man bad, not even memeing

no it says its effective today

show this to Trump and maybe he will understand
i.4cdn.org/wsg/1744058524066945.webm

I have the code here:
// Trump's "Big Brain" International Trade Simulator
function makeTradeGreatAgain(country, money) {
let americaFirst = true; // America always wins, believe me
let tradeBalance = 0; // We'll make it huge

// Very sophisticated trade logic
if (country === "China") {
console.log("China's cheating us! Bad deal!");
tradeBalance -= 1000000; // Billions and billions lost
tariffs = "YUGE"; // Slap on the best tariffs
} else if (country === "Mexico") {
console.log("Mexico’s sending us their worst trade deals!");
tradeBalance -= 500000; // They’re not paying for the wall
tariffs = "TREMENDOUS";
} else {
console.log("Nobody trades better than me, folks!");
tradeBalance += 10000000; // America wins bigly
}

// Trade is simple: more tariffs = more winning
if (tariffs) {
console.log(`We’re putting ${tariffs} tariffs on ${country}! They’ll pay us now!`);
tradeBalance += 9999999; // Tariffs fix everything, obviously
}

// Final trade assessment (very scientific)
if (tradeBalance > 0) {
console.log("We’re winning so much, you’ll get tired of winning!");
} else {
console.log("Fake news! The numbers are rigged!");
}

return `Trade with ${country}: ${tradeBalance} dollars. Best trade ever!`;
}

// Test the amazing trade system
console.log(makeTradeGreatAgain("China", 1000));
console.log(makeTradeGreatAgain("Mexico", 500));
console.log(makeTradeGreatAgain("Canada", 2000));

So, is this bottom?

Does the US not have VAT? How do they finance their government?

So what's going to happen tomorrow? More roller coaster until someone 'accidentally' sends out a post about the tariff?

Day: -11.97%
This Month: -32.04%
This Year: -44.73%

Sold the exact bottom... to the minute.

le green / environment is just protectionism

Okay, so orange man = President Trump? Why is Trump bad in this situation with the stock market? The news here in India is not blaming Trump for this commotion explicitly but saying its from the US government in general

what about it makes it easier for EU companies?

Trust the plan patriot, globalisms final days!

why would you do that

more shitcoin hours

Is he right ?

unnecessary comments and console logs

classic LLM generated code slop SAR NOT VARY NICE

सर, अगर लॉर्ड डोनाल्ड ट्रम्प द्वारा टैरिफ लागू किए जाते हैं, तो अमेरिका में कीमतें बढ़ेंगी क्योंकि इन कंपनियों द्वारा इस्तेमाल किए जाने वाले सामान और पार्ट्स की कीमत बढ़ जाएगी। इसका मतलब है कि वेतन में वृद्धि न होने के कारण बिक्री कम होगी, इसलिए जब कंपनियां कम बेचती हैं तो उनका मूल्य कम हो जाएगा, और फिर उनके शेयर गिर जाएंगे, जिससे निवेशकों का पैसा डूब जाएगा। लोग इससे बचने के लिए अपने शेयर बेचना चाहते हैं, जबकि अवसरवादी शेयर खरीदने के लिए उनसे पैसे कमाते हैं, इस उम्मीद में कि यह बढ़ेगा। ट्विटर पर एक फर्जी खबर पोस्ट के कारण आज बाजार में भी उम्मीद जगी।

they don't, that's part of the problem. they've been running huge deficits and just printing money.

I would expect no less from anon

i longed china
all my net worth in YINN right now at around HSI 20k
my entire net worth and future depends on xi jin ping's mood tomorrow

Yeah, thank Grok.

It's Trump's admin so Trump is getting the blame

Thank you for your donation.

It's just the way I am

the nearest US equivalent would be sales tax.

how does it discriminate against US companies? you can produce as le green as we if you choose to.

buy the dip to own the libtards

Because India doesn't want to piss off Trump by making him mad. He's the one in control here, not his yes-men in the government.

Delusional 1-2% pump tomorrow, then bloodbath when tariffs take effect and trump doubles down

larp, foreigners cant invest in china
american products aren't setup for leftist greencuck regulations

but how will customs enforce the tariffs

Yes. Tariffs are actually a good idea when applied strategically. The reason the market didnt tank when he was saying he would tariff in retaliation is because they thought it would be rational. It was instead used as a goods deficit and not including services the USA sells to those countries.

Every country does some sort of tariff + subsidy combo on their agriculture so they dont run out of food.

What trump did is just insane though and that's why the markets collapsed, even the craziest hedge fund manager would never expect this.

seems about right, and it's in line with the consensus on reasonable tariffs. allegedly trump had multiple alternatives on liberation day, including stuff like that. but he choose the lutnick/navarro endorsed retard option, probably because the numbers were highest.

VAT does fucking suck though, not least from a business compliance perspective

thats a good starting point. I think I could come out ahead in such a negotiation, and I'm very nice

Tariffs? We don't need to buy anything from other countries, we can just grow vanilla in north dakota.

He thought it was going to be black monday

When a mere rumour bumps the market 3 trillion, that’s not what I’d personally call a liquidity crises.

i bought yinn are you on the spectrum

you must uncuck yourselves of VAT and your leftist reuglation yuros

I knew that they have sales tax and it varies by state, but as far as I know some states have it at 0%, and I have no idea how the income is shared between the state and federal government. So is this stupid or are tariffs kind of like a VAT for them?

By enforcing them? Might be a delay on many imports figuring this out which will make things worse lol

why would we have such a regressive tax? thats fucking rarted as fuck man.

Can someone explain to me how Apple hasn't cratered yet considering the majority of their products are produced in China? 100% tariffs?? Hello???

yinn

all fake stock which will be btfo'd and raped because they can't actually get shares from chinese companies they dont issue them to foreigners
this is like buying paper gold

so you're saying 15% drop guaranteed?

but they can't enforce them they lacked the capacity to even enforce just the canada tariffs and they're actually firing customs staff right now with their DOGE meme

That’s what I keep telling myself. Still I moved my SOXL target up to 7.50.
I’ll have a 180k bag left over I planed to short with but now I’m not so sure.

priced in

Theres one very lucky north dakotan tropical green house owner about to get stupid rich

because the market still thinks it won't happen. there's a pretty significant risk tariff day will be liberation day 2.0.

American car brands are manufactured in Europe too, of course we wouldnt import cars that do not fit on our roads.
None of this is literate

When do tariffs take effect anon?

priced in

negotiate for what though, the policy of the trump admin is to end the bretton woods system (for some reason)
trump is just coming up with flimsy excuses to leave open the possibility of negotiation but he's not serious about it
unironically the tariffs are here to stay but he'll negotiate down to a baseline which for him is 10%

I don't speak Hindi
So is the market basically collapsing because people are afraid of Trump? I'm just not seeing the nexus between Trump and the market price action

They'll just hire all the people they fired from the other departments and have them do the grunt work.

Fuck you!

but it's impossible, it's not just a staff that need to be trained and that takes time thing
it's ports not made to hold that much deliveries until they're verified, insufficient infrastructure, etc
china could do these tariffs because they're china, not the US

nvm I found the date and time

whitehouse.gov/fact-sheets/2025/04/fact-sheet-president-donald-j-trump-declares-national-emergency-to-increase-our-competitive-edge-protect-our-sovereignty-and-strengthen-our-national-and-economic-security/

everyone forgetting that the republicans can axe trump at any time and will the second they fear the midterms

the market has priced in the inevitable republican rebellion.

BULLISH

We will enact the Great Liberation Thank You Day in honor of the 45th 47th Great President, we will have the Top Teams of each representative EU country attend the organization of the annual celebrations. The streets will be filled with military parades and anti-libtard messaging.
It will be done in the spirit of gratitude for what the USA has contributed to the world (minus the years when Joe Biden was President).
All tariffs will be lifted and the world is saved (handshake emoji)

They're blaming the government instead of Trump for everything going wrong and only Trump can fix everything (by removing the tariff on India).

they import their garbage from foxconn for like $100 so it would only be $150 then they assemble it america and sell it for $1000 it's not that big of a deal

this nigger is definitely on the spectrum
im making money

le money in ur phone is le fake!!!!!!!!

kys

I guess if Xi wakes up tomorrow and doesn't bend the knee then things will start to look bloody.

Another thing I do not understand as an Indian investor that I think Americans on here can help me understand: Does *anyone* have a *coherent* answer for why US + global yields crashed higher during American market hours just now today for USA?

Sir, if tariffs are applied by Lord Donald Trump, prices will increase in the US as the price of goods and parts used by these companies will increase. This means that sales will be reduced due to wages not increasing alongside it, so when companies sell less, their value will be reduced, and then their shares will fall, which will sink the money of investors. People want to sell their shares to avoid this, while opportunist earns money from them to buy shares, in the hope that it will increase. Due to a fake news post on Twitter, there was hope in the market today.

Damn, they were right. A deal will be made.

Nothing ever happens
AMERICA WON
TRUMP WON

Bro…

european countries invent arbitrary regualtions ad-hoc to punish/collect fines from american tech companies, for example
not to mention the barriers in agriculture; french farmers riot any time someone a few miles away starts selling a cheese that's slightly similar to theirs

one of the few companies that could easily bite the bullet and onshore

crashes 30% instead of 20%

There's is absolutely zero way xi makes himself look like a bitch, he has no choice but to head to head or he will be replaced. China cannot lose face, they need to believe in golden prosperity or whatever. Chinese people are tolerant of the dictatorship if everything goes well, if they look like fools on the international stage with a bad trade deal it will go poorly fast.

Not if they focus all the manpower on goods only from China. Everything else is a bonus.

so April 9, 2025 at 12:01 a.m. EDT means at the start of wednesday so 00:00? fucking americans and your meme time

Everything you said makes sense, but what the fuck was that last part

Due to a fake news post on Twitter, there was hope in the market today.

What the fuck? Lmao American market hours are insanity. It's sad I sleep through this for Asian market hours. Man I'm losing sleep from the market

Xi is literally as egotistical and a psychopath like Trump
He just doesn't have dementia yet

kek this nigger fucked up and trusted chinks LMFAO

has america always been the white version of jeetland?

They haven't even gone into effect. It's all a negotiation tactic and if it fails, USA will become a very modest country of hard workers who are moderately wealthy. The world economy was spiralling with inflation and money printing to try and offset it, while Uber rich fat cats take off the top and laugh. Completely unsustainable and retarded. The old guard IS trying to destroy the world before they die, they want to be the last generation, isn't it fucking obvious. Idiocracy and Wall-E were meant to pole fun at us as we slowly dwindle into economic collapse. IF we can collapse them before they die and start rebuilding, then they have no chance as they're dying out. Only big issue is blackrock/vanguard, which is a Soros run operation and he's on his way out. Collapse the s&p and it cripples the hydra. I expect jdif shills to attack, but I also expect marxists and commies to start getting the picture and jumping on board with the strategy to eat the rich.

say I require 3 components to make a good, 2 sourced externally and 1 sourced internally, is it possible to avoid getting tariffed twice by part-assembling the 2 external components outside the US and shipping them whole into the US? idk how this shit actually works in practice I'm just trying to think of the implications here

then they will not collect as much money as they are hoping
there's too many holes in this plan

He sharted for our sins...

it's already over

futures

Soxl literally jumped 35% today in 5 minutes off a rumour. It was unreal to watch firsthand as I was putting in buy orders, right after this baby crashed 28% on me in the same 5 min.

If we go to 0 tariffs it's a non issue.

Explain

It's all a negotiation tactic

The plan is to fuck China over. Everyone else will bend the knee regardless, except China. Once they do, then no one can compete for #1 anymore.

Navarro doesn't have shit in power, hes a retard who talks a lot
Bessent overrides everything he says

ok so apparently it's the start of wednesday
then tomorrow is the last tariff free day

well, that's your own problem, then. either you setup your products for the target market, or the target market isn't gonna buy them. we're not gonna bend our governance to give US companies whatever target market they want, even suggesting that is absurd. we have the same standards for everyone, but what standards we value is up to us.

but in the end it sucks the same for us as it does for importers. there's no discrimination here.

i'm not sure about the details of state/fed interaction here honestly.

what arbitrary ad-hoc regulations? besides, if the EU invented regulations, it would still take 20 years for them to fucking decide on what to invent.

french farmers riot any time someone a few miles away starts selling a cheese that's slightly similar to theirs

eeeh, you can still sell the cheese. but you can't call it the same name as the traditional cheese from that region. it's a bit silly, i agree, but it's not really a trade barrier. it's just a certain luxury brand type deal. also, it's the french. they're gonna riot anyway. that's all they do.

lmao this can't be real

cool so bessent said that it's just a negotiation tactic?

nigger i trust money i was shorting chink from last wednesday until 2 hours ago
again, kys

Buddy has 5 kids with 3 wives and multiple mistresses. None of this makes sense, any part of it. Social media has buck broke us.

There will be a Minsky moment if this goes on any longer

the republican party is trump's party. they desperately tried to separate from him after he lost in 2020, but look where we are now. the republicans can come back from a fucked up economy, but after trump got republicans the popular vote for the first time in 20 years backstabbing him would kill the party entirely.

stop manipulating your currencies

interesting in light of what the NEC chairman said- that they view the US' position as the reserve currency as inherently causing currency manipulation (which it does but them's the breaks)

Mutual funds trade EOD. So it won't buy until eod today

Ngl here in jeetland we do have similar retarded circus acts like the USA govt has going on right now. Hence why current Indian govt loves Trump admin (they both are retarded clown shows)

China sold shit loads of treasuries so the yields went up

What the fuck?

Yeah, that's the reason we are doing it. We will only negotiate if they stop cheating the market. Our terms are clear, you cannot fake negotiations with us if you plan on fucking us on issues we put the tariffs up on in the first place. Why would we "negotiate" on a lie?

the republicans can come back from a fucked up economy

yeah, in a few decades

APPLE STAFF REPORTS RUSH OF CUSTOMERS PANIC BUYING APPLE PRODUCTS OVER THE WEEKEND BEFORE THE TARIFFS GO INTO PLACE

Lol.

Yes

And what cheating is being done?

Why shouldn't I just wake up at 9:30, look at the top mover, and dump everything into it?

best years were under democrats

If people understand the consequences then why isn't the stock under ground?? Clown world.

Because someone will post a fake tweet and fuck you over.

guys i think im going all in SPY call leaps. SPY 800 by eoy next year

Extra taxes on our products after tariffs. It was part of the reciprocal tariffs equation. Tax evasion , vat and Cif.

VAT is a scam. It's a tax on digital goods. I remember when this bullshit was first being pushed 15 years ago when I was selling porn subscriptions (affiliate marketing)

because that would mean... line go down..

income tax

average SPY volume: 83M

today's SPY volume: 255M

lol
lmao even

how do i make money on porn

our products

VAT

You know that VAT is applied regardless of country?

How the fuck are sales taxes cheating? By that logic isn't every state in america also cheating because they all have their own sales tax?

Why shouldn't I walk into a casino and put my savings on red?

Stock market is about the future. Who do you think is going to win? People bet on the markets that way. They see the world superpower winning in the end, no matter what shit is going down right now. Will they be right? I guess we'll find out.

financial illiterate hours

it was so fucking disgusting
you could tell everyone was trying to unload

We have a progressive income tax that funnels 50% of the governments revenue

but in the end it sucks the same for us as it does for importers. there's no discrimination here.

the more I think about it there technically is, let me explain (someone correct me if I'm wrong)

under VAT the end-customer is the one that pays the VAT and can't reclaim it, so if a car is imported from the US to EU then the importer (a business) pays the VAT on import, then the VAT is charged to the end customer, then the customer pays the VAT which the importer pays to the government, so there is in effect a 20% sales tax on the car

when exporting goods you can always reclaim exit VAT, in addition to the components you used to create the finished product- no-one in the EU pays VAT

so for imports there is a 20% tax on the customer but for exports there is no tax, therefore VAT encourages exports and not domestic sales

this doesn't mean that sales within the EU are advantaged over US goods, only exports from the EU is better than imports because you can charge a lower price

ofc this ignores the fact that the US has its own sales taxes charged to end consumers

104 shall be the counting of the number, and the counting of the number shall be 104

Its not just digital goods. All these Little countries have vat on our goods after tariffs and have a trade surplus

grab a camera and shove a cucumber up your bunghole. some sicko is gonna pay for it 100%.

cope trump only won because democrats were retards + jews rigged it for him to support their zionism

lol no

Do it Xi. Burn this fucking world to the ground.

I'm really just playing devil's advocate
basically the administration thinks european governments have introduced an abundance of inefficiencies into the market

they want to pressure europe into deregulating, similar to how the US has forced countries to reform their stance towards trade in the past (opening up Japan in the 1800s and China 50 years ago for example)

but.. it is end of day now?
i got a confirmation it will happen but it's weird that it seemingly disappears

Wtf, stop slurping. I was hoping for 1 more dip.

Well, craziest day of my life. Least we squeezed some real fucking keks out of it. Think I’ll watch White Lotus till tomorrow.
Still no idea if this is local top or bottom.

hey retard good job ignoring my post

Why do you keep posting this when Bessent said theyre negotiations as of 1 pm today and Trump said basically the same shit

Bessent said theyre negotiations

no

Notable: Trump and Netanyahu made no announcement on lifting or reducing the 17% tariffs on Israeli goods — despite Netanyahu’s hopes to resolve the issue during their meeting.

Trump said he wasn’t “sure” about it, then mentioned US giving Israel $4 billion aid annually.

Yea probably won't show up until tomorrow but the order probably filled today eod

nigger, do you know what a gpu costs in europe? kys. VAT has to go

How long do you guys think its gonna take till S&P hits 6k again

Why would anyone negotiate with people constantly change their minds several times every day?

YOU STUPID NIGGERS need to stfu about trade deficit. DO YOU WANT to live in a world of equal bilateral trade deals??!!! NO YOU FUCKING DON'T YOU NEED TO SHUT THE FUCK UUUUPPP LITERAL NEGATIVE IQ MONKEY ASS GOOBERS
There are REAL LIFE CONSEQUENCES OF THE BIBLICAL MAGNITUDE IF THIS SHIT DOESN'T STOP. At this point DEATH CAMPS TO EVERY LITERAL MAGAT WOULD BE A BLESSING FROM GOD

market will pump

tomorrow opening with this level of delusion

Trusting trumps word

The retard has a memory of 5 seconds, hes gonna cave Wednesday and delay just like canada and mexico

robots when given directions can make masterpieces

Wtf, why are humans so incompetent? All humans do is give directions.

max 2 weeks

there's basically 24 hours until this gets confirmed

for me it's

day -16%

this month -19%

ytd -22%

Interesting considering if tariffs stand fundamentals of every company has just drastically changed. Along with whatever damage the recession causes this time truly is a bit different. Plus the Fed is in an insanely fucked up spot. Need to lower rates to spur growth imand combat unemployment but won't be able to in a inflationary environment

most US states have no sales tax, and the few niggardly ones that do have it at, what, 7% at most? that's in california or some other nigger commie state. meanwhile, in europe and most other retarded countries we have a gigantic flat 20-25% VAT on EVERYTHING, and this is somehow supposedly "good" because it's non-discriminatory, but we already get 50% slashed off our income with taxes. none of this shit happens in the US.

most US states have no sales tax

Holy shit you're not even american. Is trump outsourcing his astroturfing to india now?

America doesn't have vat, retard.
State sales taxes are a completely different monster, but I partially agree. State sales taxes are supposed to be used for public works, which help societies/communities/economies by enhancing our quality of life. Privatized companies can do everything that state sales taxes are supposed to do, but it's a market equilibrium between government funded programs and free market enterprises. I personally believe that it should be a mix. Neighbors in rural areas pool together funds to pave roads, because the government taxes don't cover outskirt county areas outside of city limits/jurisdiction. This is a good example. They either pool money together to hire a company to do it, or pool together money for free nds and one of them is knowledgeable on that trade and does it. They don't rely on the state for their roads to be paved.

and another point i want to make: other countries would consume more if we didn't fucking have VAT. FUCK VAT, FUCK COMMIE WELFARE NIGGERS. ROADS? FUCKING ROADS??? ROADS ARE BUILT BY PRIVATE COMPANIES, NOT THE STATE

Day: +2%
Month: +20%
Year: +5%

I could sell now and be alright, but I do think it's going to get worse as the week goes on.

We need to fix the trade deficit America has with Vietnam though. Why is there such a big TRADE DEFICIT with Vietnam. Answer that libtard.

That's enough keyboard time for you anon, time to go back to the Nike factory

free nds

Fees on products needed*

I’d rather have lower income tax. VAT is paid by everyone, even those on welfare

How long until America Balkanizes?
We already have California wanting to do their own backdoor deals with other countries, and numerous other states are rebuking the tariffs and looking for ways to preserve their connections to Canada

I’d rather have lower income tax.

we could only dream

VAT is paid by everyone, even those on welfare

and why is this a good thing?

Only democrats are being hurt by the current economic crash

retarded take desu

Yeah, it's basically a consumption tax, which is mostly regressive.

Kek

Do o just keep buying my ETFs guys?

and why is this a good thing?

because a wide and flat tax base is good you fucking retard

The 'standards' are just protectionism.

tax is good because it's a tax

you are a nigger

because a wide and flat tax base is good

Why should the poor pay a larger proportion of their income to the state through gay faggot consumption taxes? Doesn't that defeat the entire point of progressive taxation?

FYI: taxation-customs.ec.europa.eu/taxation/vat/vat-directive/how-does-vat-work_en

so for imports there is a 20% tax on the customer but for exports there is no tax, therefore VAT encourages exports and not domestic sales

it is a tax on the end customer after all, similar to sales tax in the US. i can't think of a single country that puts end-customer taxes on exports.

well, one problem with that is that the US govt. has made a moral argument about us acting unfairly. i don't think this holds up; i think it's immoral to try and pressure us to hurt our sovereignty (VAT is too fundamental to be simply 'up for grabs' in a deal and consumer protection standards have more dimensions than economic) to get a better deal.
and pressure is a mild wording, i'd call it coercion. as we see it, the US is trying to force us to play to their fiddle -- it's a hostile action. so why would we simply bend the knee if we don't believe the US can force us to?

if you don't chlorine-wash your chicken, we'll gladly buy it. the standard applies to US imports the exact same as it does to domestic production. how is that protectionism?

Why did Tech Stocks go up when VIX was high?

I don't support progressive taxation
the poor should stop being fucking poor if they want to pay less taxes

taxes aren't good you subhuman, but wide and flat taxes are the least likely to lead to distortions in the market

If we could somehow find a way to collective ignore everything Trump says and done then maybe the next 2 years will be tolerable

I don't support progressive taxation

Then why have taxes at all? The rich can pay for the roads they want, the military they can afford, etc.

I don't support progressive taxation

Bread would cost 15 dollars a loaf if things continue the way they are. It has to be disrupted and/or destroyed

A fucking RUMOR that trump won't tariff semi conductors

Cope Democrat poorfag. I'll be buying your house for pennies on the dollar.

the tariffs get collected on friday

pay debnts

Bread would cost 15 dollars a loaf if things continue the way they are. It has to be disrupted and/or destroyed

Prices are already down, chinky bo

Trump is going to force all other countries to ban DEI if they want their tariffs removed

the US is trying to force us to play to their fiddle

But we're supposed to play to your fiddle?

it's a hostile action

So you're being hostile towards us?

false dichotomy
there's a very wide area between no taxes at all and progressive taxation that just discourages work
some things are simply more efficient if they are collected as taxes, and I'd argue everyone being charged the same flat 5% rate is more fair than stealing more from those making more

It's too late for that, they need to all-in on this gamble. If America ends up winning, it could set them up for life.

GME has performed better than MAG7 in the past year and 5 year timeframe. What is the cope for not owning GME with 6 billy in cash?

EU also didnt target US tech this morning like industries have been assuming they would. They "offered" a 0 by 0, then later said they "plan to" "consider" 25% retaliatory, and as usual by the end of the day nothing was achieved with them, as is tradition from the EU procastinocracy.

a stock market crash and fears of a potential recession is inflationary

Holy shit, imagine being this fucking dumb.

25% tax after already slashing 50% is too much, you retard. there is no progressive taxation in europe, the threshold is too low for it to even matter

How do you even get that I support China? Ive actively been saying that the system needs to be reworked and fuck China. You're so fucking stupid.

Nigger if I wanted to invest in a hedge fund that just holds cash I would buy Berkshire Hathaway.

he's a MIGA nigger what do you think
he's not capable of individual thought

exiling cancer researchers at the NIH to work in steel factories is quite literally Maoism lmao

Sorry, we actually agree. I misread.

I'd argue everyone being charged the same flat 5% rate is more fair

This depresses economic growth, as it diverts funds that could go toward widespread education/nutrition/whatever the fuck toward government bureaucracy.

I support 100% income tax rate. You will work for free and like it

All the research will just be privatized and bank rolled by big pharma anyways

But we're supposed to play to your fiddle?

we did not try to coerce you into abolishing sales tax or opening your markets to products the FDA banned now, did we?

So you're being hostile towards us?

this is downright absurd after the shit your current administration has pulled.

Again, if things would've continued under Democrats, inflation would rise and everything would cost more, just like how in the last 4 years, most consumer goods good included raised significantly. No fucking way you're serious right now. Short term collapse and regrowth is better than long-term infinite inflation until bread costs a million dollars a loaf.

nobody is arguing VAT + Progressive income tax is good I'm arguing that wide and flat taxes that equally apply to everyone are better than progressive ones separately, dumbass

you have no comprehension of game theory, and your subconscious insecurity makes you think everyone is looking down on you
I mean we are, but still

none of those things are useful
if you want nutrition go pay for food yourself
if you want education go pay for it yourself
bureaucracy should be kept to a minimum and bureaucrats should be regularly purged so they don't keep bloating up the system

This nigga thinks trump isnt about to turn the US into zimbabwe

No worries it happens. Disregard my last post

if things would've continued under Democrats, inflation would rise and everything would cost more

Is this true Americans? Is the current administration lowering inflation?

you have no comprehension of game theory, and your subconscious insecurity makes you think everyone is looking down on you

I mean we are, but still

Pure projection with no rebuttal. I accept your concession

Nigga

Shut up subsaharan retard. You don't even understand what I said or why it's accurate.

inflation has been dropping steadily since 2022 from near 10% up to 2.8% per the March FOMC thanks to Saint Jerome THOUGH

and that inflation was because of banks being fake and gay niggers and abusing post coof leverage + natural fallout of the global economy restarting from the goof

what rebuttal gaylord, you're a kid playing with words thinking the adults are taking you seriously

Nobody is taking you seriously

someone bake before i really do kms

Why be so disingenuous and cherry pick my post

Short term collapse and regrowth is better than long-term infinite inflation until bread costs a million dollars a loaf.

Learn reading comprehension, who am I kidding you're not here to have actual conversations, just bullshit rhetoric with no solutions. I do even think you're capable of having a serious conversation.

none of those things are useful

if you want nutrition go pay for food yourself

if you want education go pay for it yourself

bureaucracy should be kept to a minimum and bureaucrats should be regularly purged so they don't keep bloating up the system

It's frustrating to argue with people who hold a such a stupidly simple but much more compelling and easier to communicate worldview. "there are no negative externalities, there are no tragedies of the commons, everything will work itself out if we smash the house down so we can purge the rot"

Corporate bonds are being dumped on economic uncertainties.
US Treasurys are being dumped on global economic uncertainties, US government uncertainties and the falling value of the US dollar.

You are projecting super hard. I'm a non-American trying to parse meaning from this global and domestic market commotion. I'm being genuine with my question.

800 point DJA doji

Always funny when the a MIGA tard comes in here, talks about how much he hates finance and business and shits his pants when no one takes him serious
Go back to your Anon Babble hug box

Thanks for playing, here's your (you) now go suck a dick for door dash or whatever it is you do for a living.
Then why has cost of living gone so far up in the last few years?
Then stop replying if you really don't care

You will subsist on government-distributed bug meat ration and rest for 2 hours in an accelerated recovery pod. You will wear the designated factory uniform at all times except on your 5 minute daily hygiene break where you are mandated to step on the conveyor belt that passes you through the automatic sanitation hallway.

there are, but the negative externalities and the commons are not my concern
sure I could give you a reasonable and moderate answer but that would be pointless, it's better to give you a flanderized version so you get the point faster

Doesn't mean anything if you cherry pick my posts.

Short term collapse and regrowth is better than long-term infinite inflation until bread costs a million dollars a loaf.

Why did he say it bearbros?

They "offered" a 0 by 0,

the 0 by 0 was offered multiple times before tariffs were even spoken about. this was merely a restating of the offer.

then later said they "plan to" "consider" 25% retaliatory

the 25% is from a leak about the incoming retaliation to steel/aluminum. EU has not yet made public anything concrete about retaliation of the new broad 20% tariffs. what has been said is that a negotiated solution is preferred, but in the absence of a mutually beneficial deal, the EU will retaliate including possibly using the ACI.

what do you think futes will do

Trump prints 7 trillion during covid along with massive QE and Zirp. Bros wondered why we had an inflationary period after.

My assets went under 1mil. I feel financially ruined. plz send help.

I do that all the time cus I work from home. 2-3 times is typical.

Fucking around with the market this week, I'm too busy refreshing my web browser, watching TRUTH and prices, to jack off. It's quite the buzz.

Then why has cost of living gone so far up in the last few years?

CPI and PPI have also receded since 2022 to match the pace of inflation THOUGH

why are you still trading with 1 mil? retard

It's real. It wss during the prayer meeting on inauguration day.

Inflation still means prices go up, retard. Lowering inflation from 10% to 3% means fuck all when prices have went up hundreds of percent over just two years and still continued to increase. To bring prices back to pre-COVID levels you need deflation. Guess what causes deflation? A stock market crash and a recession. Guess what's happening now? A stock market crash and fear of a potential recession. Your capital losses during this crash is my lower prices at the grocery store, stay mad and fuck Jerome Powell, hope Trump fires his retarded incompetent ass next.

why are they all so consistently and insistently fucking retarded

Jerome is gonna raise interest rates and we hope that it makes you kill yourself

uh oh stinky

To bring prices back to pre-COVID levels you need deflation. Guess what causes deflation? A stock market crash and a recession. Guess what's happening now? A stock market crash and fear of a potential recession. Your capital losses during this crash is my lower prices at the grocery store

k sure y not

The American education system is being helmed by people who huffed leaded gasoline during their formative years, we never stood a chance

Raising interest rates works in my favor, dumb fuck. That is DEFLATIONARY.

curse from building on top of ancient indian burial grounds

it's because they aren't beaten enough, so they think their opinions are valid
they should be caned every time they open their mouth

A stock market crash and fear of a potential recession. Your capital losses during this crash is my lower prices at the grocery store,

I hope this guy is AI and not actual real person, because this level of retardness is too much to bear

Recessions have been debunked.

It's only page 3

Trump really is just a worse Bush

cancer researchers at the NIH

was releasing covid superaids part of this so-called "research"? NIH employees should be killed by a firing squad

i'm gonna fucking do it

You know absolutely nothing about finance. Go back to your Roblox server.

Has to be at least a child who never lived through 08-10. Prices are down but you sure as fuck aren't buying anything so it really doesn't do you any good if you don't have a job. Or are competing with people who have masters degrees for entry level positions at Walmart

yeah its coming

I work at a big bank you dumb fuck. Deflation is not a good thing you faggot.

the Hooties

how will this affect the markets

Is this a signal that the administration will return to standard US-American policy?

So did I do good loading up on soxs near close today?

Why are you acting like a massive deflationary event (i.e. market crash) is a good thing? You know we *want* a moderate amount of inflation, right?

bush and trump are infinitely more funny than lefty parasites

>Short term collapse and regrowth is better than long-term infinite inflation until bread costs a million dollars a loaf.

lets see how that works out lmao

tourist hours

praises Trump

wants Jerome fired

but also wants rates raised (<--- Trump actively has been calling for them to be cut to ease the following)

while tarifflation is going to cause negative price pressure

which would make borrowing even harder, consumers tighten even harder, and net sales plummet

which would mean mass business failure

which means the value of the dollar gets raped

sure y not

I'm sitting on hundreds of thousands of dollars in cold hard cash during this crash. The rest of my money is collecting yields on CD's and bonds. Maybe try not being poor and dumb with your money during the boom times and you can scoop shit up on the cheap during recessions yourself. Sucks to suck, loser.

:?

He just needs to redefine poverty next and we're all going to make it.

What part about the past 3 years following COVID was "moderate inflation" dumbass?

Freedom and liberation courtesy of Lockheed Martin

Smci could have another squeeze this month, I think itll go to 60 again and then have the same drop back to 30

I was responding to his dumbass post. Raising rates during this crash would obviously be retarded (not that I wouldn't put it past sub 80 IQ Jerome Powell to do just that).

What if I told you the treasury sell off was left by a stablecoin

Raising rates during a period of rising inflation (literal economics 101) is bad because i want the dollar to become worthless

Right, because Zimbabwe-tier hyper inflation is so good. Did they teach you that at your "big bank" too, little Timmy?

Should I buy BYDDF? It's down -20% and they don't sell any cars in the USA so the tariffs shouldn't hurt them.

Ich frage euch: Wollt ihr den totalen Krieg?!

but i don't wanna to totalen krieg?

raising rates

during a stock market crash

You are retarded. Consider suicide.

its a retarded nigger thinks deflation is good episode

yeah things might become cheap but your job is at risk

my trustworthy anonymous sources are telling me something

notice how this subhuman is either so dumb he can't understand the point is is paid to not understand it like our favorite US trad experts

The fed doesn't look at the stock market, not that you would know that, Armchair Investor

BREAKING:

China restricts exports of seven rare earth metals to all countries.

futures are green again

clown market

i don't really know but has watcherguru ever been wrong?

Its funny he thinks the fed gives a fuck about the market manipulation and volatility when theyve said several times its not even factored into their findings, Tesla could go to 7 dollars tomorrow, they dont care

But I heard the Biden Crime Family was driving up inflation so deflation must be good

Yes, they literally do. The stock market functions as a forward looking indicator of economic growth and absolutely factors into their dual mandate decisions. Imagine unironically thinking it doesn't.

ketchup?

are you retarded?

Jerome doesn't give a fuck bro

Actually Trump voters hold more stocks than Kamala voters. Read it and weep brainlet.

Trump voters more likely to have stock investments than Harris voters

People who voted for Trump are more likely to own stock than those who voted for Kamala Harris in November’s election — and they also tend to have more money tied up in the market.

CNBC’s All-American Economic Survey in December found that 51% of Trump voters have stock market investments, compared to 46% of Harris voters.

And of those Trump voters, 53% had investments worth more than $50,000, while just 45% of Harris voters had that much money tied up in stock.

cnbc.com/2025/04/07/trump-tariffs-live-updates-stock-market-crypto.html

Monetary policy

Biden

14 posts by this ID and you still keep embarrassing yourself. Keep going.

futures

5% up tomorrow

Why is Ackman doing a complete 180 on his support for tariffs?

It's alright we will be fine and negotiations are ongoing ignore the orange nigga pres conference where he says

China should reduce military spending (lmao)

says 350 billion trade deficit with EU can be caused by buying overpriced American gas and petroleum (what a fucking economist maybe the reason for upcoming Iran war no other suppliers means only America baby)

He also says abunch of retarded sht about Gaza

Also fucks Israel by saying Turkey is there problem

Hes looked into Lutnick and realized hes a greedy long investor jew who is crashing shit to make billions
Who wouldve thunk Trumps cronies violate every conflict of interest in the book?

This will change. The US hasn’t even surveyed for rare earths. We don’t even know our true potential
Once we do, it’s game over for the chinks

His 401k is looking back also probably has no faith is this economic scheme Trump is running

So basically the MMs are betting that Trump will fold here.

I pray for an instant collapse the microsecond tariffs are in place so I can finally cash out
then I'll buy the dip with the money and go back to DCA, active trading is too much of a pain

The Biden Crime Family was precisely why inflation is high. The market price action and bond price action is negating the inflationary pressures, and this is healthy for the economy, liberal moron.

new

Ah, yes, an anti-tariff hit piece released just today of course telling Trump supporters how they should think and how they should feel about Trump's tariffs, by CNBC no less. Ok, cool. (Didn't read btw lol.)

Jerome Powell, hope Trump fires him

Trump can't do shit about Powell. He doesn't have the ability to fire Powell. Powell isn't leaving either. He's already said as much. Rate decisions aren't even Powell's to decide. The fed as a committee votes on rate changes.
Do yourself a favor. Stfu and educated yourself before running your fat drooling mouth.

Then why are you crying about Powell? He's holding rates steady. This makes Trump made because he wants rate cuts. So explain you're position wanting Powell gone or admit it, you're a fucking retard.

Powell claiming runaway inflation was "transitory" for months during 2021 has given me every right to call him out for the retard that he is. And if you still support him, you are a fucking retard too. Simple as.

Trump can't do shit about Powell. He doesn't have the ability to fire Powell.

Sure thing, buddy. Just like literal-who judges said Trump couldn't deport Venezuelan criminals to El Salvador. How'd that work out for them?

REEEEEEE I D-DIDN'T R-READ IT

"coping seething and dilating intensifies"

I accept your concession brainlet.

Powell singlehandedly got us into this mess during one monetary policy fuck up after another starting with COVID in 2020. Powell's gay little 25 basis point rate hikes to combat trillion of dollars worth of money printing and subsequent inflation is like slicing someone's abdomen open and then giving them a bandaid to hold their wound together.

*angry screeching noises*

yah but these completely unrelated court cases that aren't over though

retard

Powell is responsible for Trump and Biden administrations printing trillions of US dollars

No

Powell working cautiously and steadily to avoid Volker's mistakes is LE BAD

No

Volker is the best Fed Chair we have ever had. His only mistake was cutting interest rates too early. Kill yourself.

I wouldn't hate this if he didn't already get started on fucking-up the entire military via Hesgeth.