Didn’t they just say they want to negotiate?
What ?
I'm guessing Trump hit them with the same "Don't care lol" he gave Vietnam.
Trump wants to negotiate while simultaneously beating up the other party without response? What motivation would there be to conclude such negotiations?
p.s. Trump isn't actually negotiating and neither are the Europeans, they've just got a sweet opportunity to attack rival Americans industries and they're going after big tech next while rules are suspended.
They are putting the two options on the table, which is smart.
the offer was weeks ago
smart
It was 0 for 0
Hey, we'll drop our tariffs to zero if you do
No go fuck yourself
Okay
prepare for rape of tech stocks soon like said
They are signaling that they are prepared to retaliate if there is no deal, seems sensible to me.
Do you get all your information from twitter? zero for zero tariffs was only suggested for certain goods
Yeah industry, wasn’t that what trump wanted? To make american manufacturing a thing again? Then fucking industrial goods is what he should care about no?
he probably said something like they have to abolish their sales tax and still accept a 10% baseline of tariffs if they export into the US
uh??? magasisters?? they can't do this can they???
EU joins US-China Trade war already in progress
No, what happened was that the EU proposed a 0 tariff zone that trump ignored, like 5 days back. EU once again said they're open to 0 tariffs, and as they changed their offer its clear that orange retard told them to fuck off
trump doesn't want to negotiate, he wants zero deficits because he believes you lose money when you buy loads of cheap shit from poor countries with printed monopoly money.
can't negotiate with genuine retards anon
To me is more of a question of why the fuck would anybody do a deal with someone that ignores deals and just does whatever the fuck they want whenever the fuck they want?
They could close a deal with Trump and then the week after he changes his mind and says that the deal was bad and now they are going to get mega tariffs.
This is the entire issue with Trump he is just way too unpredictable which I assume he thinks it's great but not when you're trying to get investment and/or onshoring in your country.
Nothing he does makes any sense and he always gives at least two contradicting explanations for it
this is in response to steel & aluminum tariffs, not in response to the latest ones. that response will come later.
Negotiate about what? What is there to negotiate? I don’t understand. This is all so retarded that everyone is refusing to take it seriously, but Trump is 100% serious. He keeps saying he wants to have a trade surplus or at least "break even" with every single country in the world, which is impossible and beyond retarded, but that's what he genuinely believes. He has said this since at least the mid 1980s. How do you negotiate to reach that point? You can’t. They need to just tell him to back off. The rest of the world should isolate the US as much as possible, impose heavy tariffs on their services, and continue striking trade deals to trade freely among ourselves. America is committing suicide. Let them do it.
They said they gave trump a zero tariff deal
But in the meantime they have to retaliate
We saw Trump "negotiate" with Ukraine, I'm guessing they didn't appreciate the extortion.
which is useless europe doesn’t buy anything from US
I don't know how long it'll take for people to realize that he does not care about other countries' tariffs on the us. He only cares about the trade deficit.
He legitimately thinks all trade is bad
He keeps saying he wants to have a trade surplus or at least "break even" with every single country in the world
The thing is even if this was a good idea which it isn't he put a 10% tariff on every country they have surplus as well. It's just stupidity
this, they saw that zelensky bent trump over (more aid, no mineral deal) and know they can bend trump over too because he's obese and weak-willed
oh no, I won't be able to afford Californian wine anymore! I guess I'll have to stick to French and Italian. lmao.
This. The rest of the west needs to let the US become a hermit state if that's what they want to do. If they manage to remove the maga crowd from congress and the courts then we can start to talk.
He also doesn't have a plan beyond imposing tariffs. He really thinks all he has to do is impose tariffs and magically, over night, factories will start popping up all over the US on their own.
it's so funny because the reason the US has a trade deficit with basically everyone, is because they are much richer than basically everyone. of course the orange retard might well change that.
They do want to negotiate. What that means is that they're offering Trump an off-ramp. It does NOT mean they're not preparing retaliation.
yeah it's weird he could have done something to cause onshoring like a plan of gradual increasing tariffs over the next 4 years in specific industries to give time for investments to be made and factories to be build
there are so many ways he can achieve what he supposedly wants but it honestly seems he's not even trying
The fastest way to get results onshoring is to just found nationalized companies that get rubber stamped permits and start building the factory after a month of looking at locations.
The problem with this is it's "big government communism" so of course the thing that actually works can't be done.
This is it, this is the extent of his plan. Impose tariffs, and things will work themselves out. He doesn't get it. He thinks if you don't have a trade surplus you're getting "ripped off." Well good luck having a surplus with fucking Vietnam, where they make like 4k/year. His retarded base will never question him. He has complete control over American conservatism, the GOP, media -- it's all a giant, retarded cult based primarily around stupidity and contrarianism.
Trump trying to blow up the world economy. You can't negotiate with someone like that
You know, I never understood why a klingon would be quoting Shakespeare like this
Is it ever explained? Haven't seen the movie
that's the answer to the steel and aluminium tariff from weeks ago.
the response to the car tariff will come end of april.
the response to the latest tariffs in May.
EU is a slow bureaucratic monster.
impart tariffs to bring them to the negotiation table
tell them to fuck off when they show up
What is this geopolitical strategy called?
His image as a strong man is more important than the result of the negotiations because he's not a serious politician.
He's just trying to make it seem like he told Europe that they're fired. He cares about viral moments more than policy
He cares about viral moments more than policy
Baaaaaased! CONTENT PRESIDENT!
Honestly I don't know how to clearn a shower. I would probably clean it but if you don't have that option idk, guess you should probably pay someone to clearn it for you. No idea how expensive that is
How is Europe our ally?
It's true that we have a trade deficit with nearly every country we trade with. Balancing the deficit is a good thing.
Europe buys oil. Europe also was buying American weapons but Trump fucked that up with his fuckups on Ukraine.
did you skip history class?
wow maybe you shouldn't believe the very first fucking tweet you see on a subject
Europe was your ally(still is on some minor level). Trump fucked up the relationship and destroyed international trust into the USA. Do you get all your news from Anon Babble and twitter?
So when has this ever happened? Another one of those, he always lies, but i can't give you a specific example orangemanbad thoughts?
politico.eu
The U.S. and EU came close to scrapping industrial tariffs a decade ago in their discussions of the TTIP — the Transatlantic Trade and Investment Partnership — that was ultimately scuppered by Trump in his first term.
art of the deal
this is what retards actually believe
Nobody fucking cares about "cherry picked talking point country". They will just export and import less from the USA and vice versa. We don't need to be importing or exporting to every fucking country at a loss. That's the most retarded take since "Biden is fit to be president." We're done being the world's trash heap, while also being their savior. It's a lose lose abt this point and it's been obvious we were losing for at least a few decades.
He was crying about the EU being mean about agricultural imports (why would you even bother outside of specialty stuff that the EU is unable to produce at scale, and those were already being imported) and automotive imports (which is extra fucking stupid as even outside of the rules and regulations stuff, even some EUDM cars were actually built solely in the US), so he decided to double down and insist that EU pay some nebulous retroactive anti-bullying reparations before he'd even bother negotiating. Unsurprisingly that didn't convince anyone.
Ponder the aroma
is a black person in the USA an ally of a turk in germany?
buy something from someone
this means you have lost
do you demand that the grocery store pay you back when you buy food from them? this is fucking retarded
Not anymore.
There is no loss, budget dificit and trade deficit has nothing to do with each other. You printed money and we gave away our resources and goods.
You dont need this anymore somehow and want to sell your resources and goods for euros, its actually fine XDDD
Some third worlders call America the great satan, but it feels more whore of babylon-ish to me to be honest.
Well yeah, but EU also implement a step-by-step plan with countermeasures till then. They are also looking to build and strengthen other trading partnerships, e.g. with China and South America (Mercosur).
Of course negroes don't consider Europe an ally.
What did you think negotiation meant? We're obviously going to have to come up with some way to hurt the US, otherwise we'd have nothing to bargain with.
you think the EU gives a shit when it comes to more taxes for citizens?
meme made by brain-dead imbeciles
to spite trump, europe will buy oil from russia
great job, retard
eu is still playing dumb in not understanding that VAT has to go
they have to abolish their sales tax
I fucking hope they do
t. euro paying >21% fuck-you fee on literally everything
To be honest I have no fucking idea why we in EU use US social media platforms and pay enormous amounts of AD money to FB and Google, that is A LOT of money. We have plenty of software developers to build our own Facebook. Yet we happily give our money just away to Americans who are not the target group of ads most of the time anyway. Maybe this shit forces us to think something.
He legitimately thinks all trade is bad
It was amazing to see Anon Babble starting to regurgitate that same bullshit. That board is a lost cause. The US is a lost cause.
Trump told Vietnam to fuck off with 0% tariffs and that were fucking the shit out of them. Other countries wanted to TALK to them. That never meant they'd NEGOTIATE with the other countries. They already proved their intentions with Vietnam. Now we're seeing that exactly that is happening. Why is everyone so shocked and surprised? We had all the answers we needed yesterday.
we'll build are own facebook that nobody will use
you give money to facebook because that's what people use and it makes sense because you want people to see the ads, YOU FUCKING IMBECILE. WHO'S GONNA SEE YOUR ADS ON EUROPEAN FACEBOOK? EUROPOORS???
There were EU social media but they spoke german and shit I dont want to learn german bro
US does 30% of global consumption
why should we pay americans to see ads?
I WONDER
He said Nafta was shit, renegotiated and now he's saying his new negotiated deal is shit. He pulled out of TPP which got rid of tariffs and tariff-barriers and now he's bitching about them. He did the same with TTIP. That's just tariff-related shit too, he does it with everything.
The only time article 5 of Nato was used was when Americans chimped out over 9/11 and invaded Afganistan. Europe answered and still has to deal with the spillover it caused. Many European men died fighting the very same people your CIA trained and armed in the 80s.
What has mutts ever done for Europe?
that nobody will use
This is a GOOD thing. Social media is destructive and is leading to the decline of civilization.
So it's not about tariffs.
This retard is trully retarded.
Yes most of the time ads are local or EU centered here. US is not mostly the target audience.
ok, retard
So when are you guys gonna get rid of sales taxes, as you call it over there? Surly the states don't need that money to fund public services right?
That's OK. We weren't going to negotiate with these faggots anyways.
This to it in general and the first posters: >don't care lol
You go back, you watch Trump's first reveal about the idea of tariffs, you watch what he says, you pay attention to it and you ignore the idea that it's focused on the Japanese. You sit there, you watch it, you pay attention to his words and you think about the context, the motivations and his inflection when he speaks, you can tell when he is being genuine.
Now. You realise you don't deal with him. There is no art of the deal, there is no caving, or a middle ground. You let him go off and if things end up worse for him, fair enough, you cross the fucking street. You plan a new route. Yes, ordinary American citizens who didn't vote for it will suffer. Yes, working class people who voted for him will suffer. Yes, the middle classes who voted for him will suffer.
-but your duty is not to them. It's to your own country, your own allies and he doesn't want to be one.
How they still haven't worked this out despite having Putin next door. Yes, you can flatter him, finger his ego, but it just doesn't work. Hell say one thing, do the other and his demands? His demands don't work. They're a pipe dream. There's a reason people aren't buying American products. They truly do need to manufacture and assemble products that they themselves already outsource for that to happen.
He's stuck in the 60's. Almost the entire world is operating in a different era.
Tax his allies. Close loopholes in other countries. Trade with partners and sanction. It will work. They have <3 years to find an angle for the next election. Currently they're spinning other nations as issues. Worst is they push to nationalism and rewrite their gay constitution or put in someone else. You wait them out, the running time without election interference on a government like this is 10 years. You can eke out another 4 if something huge happens regarding the constitution.
Trump's storm's a drizzle.
what are software ads
you are brown
0 to 0
vat still exists
you, too, are brown
Correct.
Don't listen to the idiot who doesn't even understand VAT, let alone tariffs
the state already rinses me 50% of my income before it reaches my hand, moron
explain what is there to understand about VAT, moron. would you prefer if trump said "ok from now on we're also doing 25% vat just like everyone else, so it's fair and "non-discriminatory". and then consumption will go down. is that what you want, YOU FUCKING BROWN NIGGER.
DOESN'T UNDERSTAND VAT DOESN'T UNDERSTAND VAT
GO ON AND EXPLAIN IT, THEN, WHAT IS THERE TO UNDERSTAND???
WTF are you talking about, I've done plenty of campaigns where I just leave US out of the target audience. Also we don't even play your games any more cause we have Polish and Czech and Ukrainian devs doing great releases like KCD2.
Google exists you know?
Sales tax dummy
I've done plenty of campaigns where I just leave US out of the target audience
who gives a shit? there still is software that can be sold the the US, i don't give a shit what you do. what part of "the US = 30% of global consumption" do you not understand?
i'm european, you fucking retard
brown id
stop the hypocrisy, gringo
explain nothing
ok, retard. i'm a consumer, i don't give a shit if the tax is discriminatory or not, because the money is still wasted. you're telling me a country shouldn't be ok with already taxing me 50% of my wage? kys
Trully show how retarded is the average migger.
Here, read up on the full scoop on how VAT works and why it doesn't apply to imports.
Products exported to other countries are typically exempted from the tax, typically via a rebate to the exporter.
Source: Wikipedia (website: en.m.wikipedia.org
this is a real "person"
god, they're born to be fuckmeat
ok now tell us how much is vat and how much are federal and state sales taxes. go on, tell us. what fucking point are you trying to make? i should applaud my european 25% tax? kys, retard
You definitely act and talk like a consumer. You're absolutely right about that one, end-user.
So you're just gonna let them fuck you deeper with sales taxes, because evil euros has it too under a scary alien sounding acronym instead
good, now you understand why you have to kys
You didn't even understand my point. There is enormous amount of ad money that goes to US where target audience does not have US in it, understand it chud?
best ghiblislop so far
I'M EUROPEAN, YOU RETARDED MONGOLOID
Oh he will not read that. It's wokepedia propaganda to them. Anything that contradict the Great Orangutan is wrongthink. The Great Waddle Forward.
my point is correct because my specific product is not targeted at americans
again, who gives a shit? you hate making money, i get it, keep selling to us europoors
There's literally a wealth of information online. Do you have your daddy spoon-feed you on the most basic of meals, too? Fucking look it up captain big brain. Illiterate? Fucking watch a YouTube video on how VAT tax works you absolute fucking monkey.
You should applaud the world for destroying all their economies with tariffs. End result? Complete and total economic destruction.
You should be asking yourself why the hell Trump isn't providing incentives for companies to produce products in the United States. Answer? There's an entire agenda behind it that you're about to get raped in the ass for.
Go ahead. Ask yourself why. Read between the lines jackass. Fucking chimpanzee from a third world country.
i won't read it because i fucking know what VAT is, i've been paying it my whole life. VAT has to go. kys
I'm too and I say you're a demented buffon that doesn't understand how it works.
Move to the US please.
You should hold back a little with cheetos and diet coke, really. It's painful to read your incomprehensible ramblings.
There's literally a wealth of information online.
i know it'll prove you're retarded when you actually admit that the average sales tax is under 10% in the US, and 20-25% in europe. you wrote all of that and i'm not gonna read it, dickhead, but keep patting youself on the back
So true fellow comrad from German oblast
Dude you could have better arguments with a literal fucking brick. The only thing they have in common with a brick is they're hard and they love sinking in the water. Absolute degenerate monkeys. Shit for brains. Little dick truck drivers who can't even obey the rules of the road. Turkeys have more intelligence than them. Bricks have more intelligence than them.
Keep talking. You're proving your point of complete mental retardation. I'll link you again because you're illiterate
en.m.wikipedia.org
I'll even post a YouTube video because you're illiterate
it's a Europe forgets Iraq and Afghanistan and Vietnam and Libya and dozens of other clusterfucks the US has been dragged into by the europeans
Also 90% of the shit being bombed by the houthis only matters to Europeans.
I think trumps a retard but fucking Europe pretending they haven't been suckling at the U.S. teat for 80+ years is infuriating.
we're importing things at a loss
we're a victim of the world order we imposed over the last 7 decades
amerimutt stupidity is only surpassed by their ignorance
it's a Europe forgets Iraq and Afghanistan and Vietnam and Libya and dozens of other clusterfucks the US has been dragged into by the europeans
you fucking miserable 70 year old MAGA boomer.
Except Russia
Which they don't have a surplus with, btw, but a deficit. And despite the limited trade it's still a bigger amount of money than deficit of some thirdie countries that got tariffed nevertheless.
Hmmmmmmmmmm
Yeah it's a cult. There's no saving them. There's a worldwide "we told you so" in the making but it'll be lost on them anyways.
now i definitely know you're retarded
we're bombing brown people for.....Europe
Thank you for your service
Dumbass.
Try again retard. Not my fault Europe likes to stick it's dick in crazy then run to the U.S. for help every decade.
yet it's still you who will be deployed in 6 months to protect that other 10%, makes you think
we're occupying Europe because we are just nice people
Thank you for your service muttbro
baneposting
Pick up the solid chunks and throw them in the trash or the toilet. Then diluted laundry detergent + scrubbing with an old dish sponge.
Iraq and Afghanistan are Europe's fault now
Nigger we followed YOU there
As for Vietnam, the French might have had their own adventures there but everything that went down after they left was something you freely decided to get your own dumbass selves into
Also 90% of the shit being bombed by the houthis only matters to Europeans.
That's only because Europe happens to be near Israel.
Europe dragged USA into Iraq
HAHAHAHAHAHAHA
How do you even arrive at this position, what kind of logic
houthis don't specifically bomb ships heading to europe
ok, retard
You should also plunge it and pour salt down the drain, flushing it with hot water too....followed by bleach to finish.
Did he really look at Liz Truss and think "yes, I want to do that too"?
It's mental illness. Once upon a time those people would have been shunned and then stonned to death by the village if they dared continue being extremely annoying morons. But now we give them internet and validation.
Houthi attack ships because of Israel
Actually goy we're doing it for Europe
have you said thank you once?
delusional mutt
Houthi attack ships because of Israel
are you fucking retarded?
Do you know where Yemen is mutt?
They literally started attacking ships because of the gaza war. They don't give a flying shit about Europe. Europe is effected mainly by having to go around Africa rather than through the Suez with their shipped goods because insurance premiums have gone up.
that trump bird is so cute, I should make a shitcoin.
EU is a slow bureaucratic monster.
They will slowly and deliberately retaliate in a retarded tantrum when doing literally nothing at all in response would be the best choice.
EU-Canada-China trade empire incoming?
If you buy something from someone, they stole from you
Nigger walk into the bathroom and hang yourself you retarded cunt
They will slowly and deliberately retaliate in a retarded tantrum when doing literally nothing at all in response would be the best choice.
Doing nothing would be best in the long run, as the US simply destroy itself
But a little tariffing to make the US economy hurt in the short term can help get Trump out faster
I get it, as long as they're not stupid enough to blanket like orange man did
EU-Canada-China trade empire incoming?
Sounds about as threatening as a battered women's shelter.
Trump told them no, because the American government doesn't give a shit if Teslas are more expensive for Europeans, due to European tariffs. The US government just wants to tax American consumption, via their own tariffs. All they're interested in here is more tax revenue.
It's probably gonna be more in line of EU-Asia for the foreseeable future
I feel bad for mexico and canada, they're just caught in the crossfire, not even leafniggers deserve this shit
idk what these retards expect these tariffs to accomplish. US products are already not viable in EU markets from all of the bullshit barriers they have in place. meanwhile, they desperately need the revenue they rake in from exporting to the US. this unironically hurts them way more than it hurts america. america does 25% of global consumption. they hold all the cards here.
Mogging
We're done being the world's trash heap,
You fucking idiot, American citizens have been CONDITIONED to consume and buy all the world's stuff for fucking decades. And there has been absolutely no signal that you as a society are moving away from that mindset at all.
You really, ACTUALLY think the average American will just take a lower living standard on the chin? And this is a generation of people born with the biggest ever silver spoon in their mouth that have no idea how good they have it right now compared to virtually everyone else.
You see, we get to pay for all of their defense and prop up their economies
If WW3 starts in Europe WE get die on the front lines first!
Beautiful friendship
China isn't going to do shit to ensure the EU gets the cheap energy it needs, as the US always did. The rest of this century is going to be comical.
You really, ACTUALLY think the average American will just take a lower living standard on the chin? And this is a generation of people born with the biggest ever silver spoon in their mouth that have no idea how good they have it right now compared to virtually everyone else.
i cant afford a house lol
MIGAtardation has done immeasurable harm to the US and its people's psyches.
caps lock posting
Absolutely malding lmao
The reality is that since WW2 America has been, as a matter of policy, keeping Europe militarily weak and dependant on it.
This obviously gives America a huge amount of leverage over Europe.
It has enabled Europe to be gay as fuck (a lot of this is a consequence of American cultural imperialism though).
Why this is now changing is a matter of debate, but the prevailing guess is that Europe simply cannot maintain its commitments in Europe, the Middle East and Pacific at the same time.
So Europe is being cut loose.
This is probably a good thing for Europe in the long run as it will result in politics that are more independent of America and as a consequence much more realist and less gay.
You see, we get to pay for all of their defense and prop up their economies
I feel like this bullshit is the core of the problem
It's the opposite of what's happening, EU is supporting the US in their enforcement of their world order, they buy their weapons, they host their military base, they supply their ships, they share intelligence, participate in sanctions and extended trade with the US
But one moron get a hold of a microphone once and suddenly convinced you they owe you money and a "thank you" for maintaining the hegemony of your empire
I cant believe wtf I'm witnessing, NOBODY will believe this shit happened in 200y, it's surreal
Be yurofags
Be told you won’t get free gibs
Offer bullshit deal where America suddenly forgets about all the money you’ve already taken
Be told no
Pretend you can strong arm them for more money
You are here
Get financially raped by an orange boomer that fucking hates you anyway
Go bankrupt
Mean orange boomer buys your entire country for a ham sandwich
Turns it into parking lot
They fucking deserve this.
nobody wins with tariffs. the only solution, really, is to tariff the other person back. thats why this is all retarded, and why republicans will rope in 2026
nobody wins with tariffs
actually, the country with the more appealing market (america) wins bigly with tariffs
the country with the more appealing market (america) wins bigly with tariff
Why is trump complaining about the US car market then? It's tariffed since 1964, are they winning yet?
The End by Anon
[Anon lives and writes books in New England with his two dads, and likes whittling giant cocks in his spare time]
but it's not the US or the EU
Trump made it the US or the rest of the world
Dumbfuck, European countries haven't had to fund their own militaries since the end of World War 2. You want to know why they have free healthcare and all of those social programs and nice trains? While the US has none? Because it turns out that funding a military, especially a global military, is fucking expensive, and that when you don't have to do it anymore, you have an excess surplus of cash to spend on the welfare of your citizens. Not even a fucking socialist, but it blows my mind that those on the Left in the US want all the free healthcare and social programs that Europe has while insisting we continue to spend every last dime we have on maintaining our military bases and infrastructure in Europe for the well being of the European people instead of the welfare of our own citizens here in the US. Absolutely insane and retarded takes these days on this issue, probably from mentally ill women on antidepressants who can't make up their minds on what they want.
EU is supporting the U.S. in their enforcement of the world order
They’re a vassal state and have been since WW2. The faggots wouldn’t exist if it wasn’t for us and still can’t carry their own weight.
They buy their weapons
Because they suck at making their own
They host their bases
That isn’t a choice vassal states get. It’s how we keep them on a short leash.
They supply their ships
Which is paid for and again the duty of a second class nation to its liege lords.
They share intelligence
Yeah importing a bunch of Muslims and telling us they think they're going to be attacked by the Muslims they imported is real fucking useful.
Participate in sanctions
Follow orders to the bare minimum their incompetence is capable of.
Extended trade
You mean slurping up subsidization like a piglet on the tit.
Thank you for maintaining a hegemonial empire
Just saying it out loud once would be nice.
Its surreal
Fucking peasants.
This. We are owed reparations for the past wrongs the evil european races have inflicted on us. We need to put them in camps and gas them to make it even. HAIL TRUMP! HAIL ISRAEL!
EU said tariffs are bad though
Outside of the Israel shit…yeah actually.
You want to know why they have free healthcare and all of those social programs and nice trains
that costs a lot more than what they save on defense
also there are over 2 million European soldiers in Europe and less than 200k Americans
I'd hardly call that the US paying for their defense
What are state and federal taxes on sales
Lmao
Yes, we know you and trump are resentful jewish goblins.
Every American soldier is worth 100 yurocucks.
These threads just show how absolutely fucking retarded the average MIGAtard is nowadays. They've always been absolute twats, but they've gone nuclear on the weaponized retardation now.
Would it have killed the democrats to have brought forward a decent candidate for the elections?
but it's not the US or the EU
it is the US or the EU because that's the purview of this prospective trade war
if you are going by weight, sure
J-j-jewwwwwww!!!!
Time to pay the tab on the safety and existence you fucking owe us faggot.
kek
So if the US is not contributing that much to European defense, then why do we not just withdraw all our troops, military infrastructure and consequent funding and return the savings gained to the welfare of US citizens?
purview of this prospective trade war
and the trade war with China and everyone else that Trump is refusing to "make a deal" with
those other places aren't imposing any more tariffs between each other, they can still trade without any disruption amongst themselves
it's just the US cutting it's self off from world trade
Literally yes.
Anon, sales tax/VAT never mattered, what matters is how you competitive the tax is vs locals compared to imports, VAT generally is pretty fair to all parties.
It's not a tariff in the sense that it does not seek to put imports at a disadvantage.
sure you can, go ahead lose you MiC biggest export market
lose all those bases you need to protect Israel and project power globally
and the other less tangible benefits you get from the current arrangement like them following the US in sanctions.
Is this supposed to be a threat? I genuinely can't tell if Americans think there are literal American soldiers out defending Europe, or if posts like this are just banter.
You want to know why they have free healthcare and all of those social programs and nice trains?
Because of taxes you stupid nigger, if the US financed EU defense then simply tell him to pull that, problem solved
Because these bases are here for the benefit of the USA, many ports serve as fueling points, some aeroports served for the Iraq invasions, basically the entirety of Africa US projection depend on one megabase in germany, the greenland base is an early warning missile emplacement and many more
Basically the entire shit you think you "pay for" is for your own benefit, you could remove all of it at any time but you have not and you wont, because it would diminush your influence over the world
This changes EVERYTHING
The US just put a clinic on of how our trash from the 90s can completely annihilate Putins Soviet stockpiles. What the fuck else are they going to do?
Trump thinks european VATT is a tariff. When vatt is for locally made and sold products
What the fuck else are they going to do
buy their own stuff that's been raping the russians just as hard
the only difference being that they can't just get cut of when ever the US feels like it
I'm asking a question in good faith, but your knee jerk, woman-like, aggressive and emotional reaction tells me you are scared of this becoming a potential future prospect at some point. Why so, anon?
Because of taxes
Between state and Federal taxes, depending on where you're located, many Americans pay nearly almost as much as many Europeans. We also spend the most on our own military industrial complex than any other country in the entire world, no doubt to maintain our bases overseas. Money that would much better be spent here on US citizens at home.
spending tax dollars on Iraq invasions
my own benefit
Can't tell if trolling or just stupid.
this
We also spend the most on our own military industrial complex than any other country in the entire world, no doubt to maintain our bases overseas. Money that would much better be spent here on US citizens at home.
Then do it?
Sell your ships, planes, tanks, fire half of the military and spent that money at home?
Then do it?
What do you think this whole shake up is in the global order that we have going on right now?
sounds like you have a very corrupt, inefficient, subverted and warmongering political system
Stuff from the 90s American can blow up stuff from the 60s Soviet Union
No shit. Now you know why most Americans, besides retired Boomers, give 0 fucks about this stock market crash.
What do you think this whole shake up is in the global order that we have going on right now?
Trump coping and hoping that he can leverage the rest of the planet into paying for his bullshit(lmao) and willing to destroy his own country to prove his point, it's quite the spectacle ngl
If he wanted a real realignment all he has to do is go live on air and fire half the military, defund the DOD, remove all his base of influence around the world, say bye iran, gl israel and then spend that money at home
Again, please do it
many Americans pay nearly almost as much as many Europeans
while reaping almost none of the benefits
Maybe you should stop that then?
He legitimately thinks all trade is bad
Based communist, become billionaire to destroy billionaire, comrade Donny fools them all !
That is what Trump is doing.
Can’t produce it fast enough and as soon as they have to the leftyfags will cry about the MIC and pissing money away on foreign wars like they used to. They don’t care until it actually hurts them. If the peasants don’t want to pay their taxes the lords lock them out of the castle when the enemy comes to the gate. Simple as. Enjoy picking between the shoveling shit with a sword or fighting with pitchforks bitch.
Can’t produce it fast enough
nor can the US, how many shells is the US making per years now? 600kish
Rheinmetall on it's own is made 750k
Based communist, become billionaire to destroy billionaire, comrade Donny fools them all !
You jest, but there's a nonzero chance he's the modern Kim Philby
In a 1981 lecture to the Stasi, the East German intelligence agency, Philby attributed the failure of British intelligence to unmask him as due in great part to these things: the British class system—it was inconceivable that one "born into the ruling class of the British Empire" would be a traitor; the amateurish and incompetent nature of the British organisation; and because so many in MI6 had so much to lose if he was proven to be a spy.
I can totally see this happening following almost the same line of thinking
Shells
Kek. Yurocucks always preparing for the last war.
Trump hasn't cut defence spending, nor has he given any indication that he intends to do so in the future.
Like, that's the only thing he needs to do. Cut the defence budget.
Reduce the number of American carrier battle groups by one and that's going to save you 1.5 billion every year. 4.1 million every day. There's nothing any foreign power could do to stop you, if that's what you wanted to do.
By raising taxes on all foreign imports?
I wish a MIGA would.
Sell your ships, planes, tanks, fire half of the military and spent that money at home?
Well, that explains how he wants to fix the trade deficit with europe. By selling off the military.
I could use a nuclear sub honestly.
Rheinmetall who's also the manufacturer of the barrel of Abrams US tank btw, must be a fun phone conv
Will Trump force them to charge him 25% higher price?
Trump hasn't cut defence spending, nor has he given any indication that he intends to do so in the future.
and more drones, they have actual production lines building new tank and IFV hulls, they make more and far less expensive boats, more SPG, more MRAPs. They make more of just about everything aside from planes really
it's all fragmented and shit but they are making a fuck ton of stuff
The only ongoing real war is ukro-russian one, and shells have proven to be quite useful there.
If trump is smart, and he isn't, he would keep tariffs up, even increase them, over the next couple weeks and use this time to set up the sovereign state wealth fund he was talking about and then dump trillions into and invest it all the day before dropping tariffs.
It would be market manipulation on a grand scale, illegal as all hell, and absolutely lit as he turns a massive profit in the new fund.
Sadly, he's not that smart and he's just a retard with no practical end goal here