Yeah we crashing tomorrow

because they're trying to appeal to the lizard brains of the retards still supporting this action. they don't care and have never cared about the rest of the world, but they might care if they finally understand that this fucks them, too.

Then when another Republican comes into office then Dems wont get to steal credit for it like Biden took credit for Trumps economy.

We're doing a slow and unalarming industrial mobilization for war. I don't know how anybody can look at the grand scope and see otherwise.

this.

They will drag his name through the mud though

Everyone tariffed the US, but the US barely tariffed anyone.
It's a well-known fact, retard.

God you're so stupid

I’m slurping

No, everyone keeps saying it's dumb for America to apply tariffs because it only hurts Americans and only Americans will pay a higher price.

You have to keep the message simple for Americans. Remember they elected Donald Trump. It shows their absolute level.

Tariffs are not the only parameter in the economy, retard. Have you even heard of Bretton Woods?

The tariffs are just a tax on Americans

It's not a tax if you can avoid it, dumbass.
Just buy a product made in the US instead of a foreign one.

Not to mention the tariffs are already bringing in massive investments into the US.

Wrong quote?

It doesn't fuck me you seething retard, I just don't buy your country's products as long as you tariff us. I don't need you and I never did.

Yes it shows we're smarter than you retards since most of you are run by women who want ww3 and all of you are too pussy to go die in ukraine like you want, shut the fuck up bitch.

thinks Americans will work for $2.45/hour chink wages

You’re retarded as shit. America doesn’t make shit here because it costs too much. You don’t think paying workers $55 an hour at a ford manufactory plant is going to raise car prices when Mexican plants work for $12 an hour???

meanwhile this motherfucker went on TV yesterday and called tariffs a tax cut, among other gaslighting nonsense.

Tariffs are tax cuts.

Tariffs are jobs.

Tariffs are national security.

Tariffs are great for America.

Tariffs will make America great again.

At this point, it's not a question of 'are we fucked'? The question is how much cummies can we take?

>thinks Americans will work for $2.45/hour chink wages

Where did I say or imply this?

Because you're a moron if you believe that companies domestically arent going to charge more to account for the fact that production overhead has increased 300-400% to produce domestically. They will probably only price match the foreign tarrifed goods at best

production overhead has increased 300-400% to produce domestically

lol how did that happen?

He's old. Chaos is fun. Think about it. How many Slavic women can he fuck before it gets boring? How many cars can he buy? How much steak can he eat? At some point shit gets boring. He wants to shake things up.

wait till you hear how many tariffs europoors have on US products.

He's talking about the actual effect of tariffs, i.e. the return of production to the US (as opposed to the decades of losing production to foreign outsourcing).

...because Americans will not work for $2.45/hr. That's where the increase in overhead comes from you mongloid

That's exactly why tariffs are needed.

Domestic products cost more because they're created using Western wages.
Foreign products cost less because they're created using third-world wages.

This creates unfair competition between Western workers and third-world workers, and causes companies to move production abroad.
Tariffs help cancel out this unfair competition, bringing production jobs back.

it's happening!

Also, you do realize the US always had domestically produced products as well right?
You're acting like everything will jump in price, when it's only the things that aren't produced locally.

To give you an example: BYD cars (made in China) will be much more expensive in the US, while Teslas (made in US) will remain the same price.
How isn't this perfectly fair? Why should US workers have to compete on wages with Chinese workers who have massively lower cost of living, FOR PRODUCTS SOLD ON THE US MARKET?

he fell for the bull trap

Tarrifs

you all realise that those tarrifs, who pays them? You as a US citizen right? The importer just rises the tarrifs price in the imported product.

... thus making it less attractive to import foreign products.

actual retard

When an animal gets sick, the humane thing is to put it out of its misery

Absolutely destroyed with FACTS and LOGIC

... so exactly what's already been happening for like 10 years?

Are we about to witness the jew strike fear in the samurai bros?

I want something cleared up. Anon Babble isn't my usual haunt, I just do my own thing regarding money and frequent other boards.
But why is it that when everything goes red people here cry and shit and cum and piss and vomit? Are they just looking for an excuse to jak, frog and bearpost? Are they retarded and forgot the literature?
For me I just see it as

cool, time to buy

and go on to do something else. Am I missing something?

gambling in much higher risk/reward scenarios than you and/or don't have much in the first place so every cent lost is a severe mental blow.

Then the US simply cannot create attractive enough products of quality anymore. Tariffs are in a way ceding the era of superiority and saying we just can't compete at all anymore. Thus the everyman already stretched thin must pay for more expensive worse quality goods.

Am I missing something?

You are poor.

Investors are fleeing the markets. They're overvalued. Hugely. We could be in for a Japan-style 30y stagnation.

... and then no one can afford anything decent because it's both more expensive to produce everything in the US and the US just plain has significantly worse quality across the board than not just the rest of the 1st world but a good chunk of the 2nd and 3rd world too. Consumers don't just consider price but quality as well, and the US simply has none left to offer because it would risk disputing the ongoing wealth accumulation competitions among America's wealthiest elites. The only way to change that and bring things back to the good ol days of strong quality domestic manufacturing at reasonable prices and livable wages is to wrestle away the trillions executives hoard for themselves but there's no way that'll ever happen; not under Dems and certainly never ever under Republicans. You also seem to ignore the thrashing such tariffs and resulting trade wars have done to American exports and especially tourism, which again isn't helping the economy.
"Fair" would be for Tesla to just deliver on a good product instead of cutting corners everywhere which has eroded the brand's image well before Elon's autism caught up to him, and his and Trump's plan to expand on HB1s to lower costs at the expense of quality and American jobs won't help Americans either. Maybe Elon could make up for the costs of bringing up quality, hiring only Americans, and lowering prices by taking measures that would leave him worth a hundred billion less so he's only a multi-hundred-billionaire instead of a multi-hundred-billionaire, or he could stop trying to do stupid shit like buying dying social media sites but again, we both know he'll never do that. What will instead happen is that with less foreign competition in the market Burger execs will do what they always do and take advantage of the situation to either lower quality even further, raise prices, or both just to increase their already record breaking profit margins.

Then the US simply cannot create attractive enough products of quality anymore.

How in the absolute flying fuck did you come to this conclusion?

Tariffs are in a way ceding the era of superiority

No, they're a way of correcting for third-world wages and living conditions in third-world countries.

Holy shit you're retarded.

... and then no one can afford anything decent

see >"Fair" would be for Tesla to just deliver on a good product instead of cutting corners everywhere
Tesla was just an example.
And everyone cuts corners, especially third world brands.

You need to seriously brush up on your reading comprehension, because saying Chinese cars will be more expensive with tariffs doesn't mean Teslas will either go down in price or improve in quality, and you completely ignored the HB1 issue where entire US factories are replacing workers with poojeets.

And everyone cuts corners, especially third world brands

Saying "everyone does it" doesn't change the fact that American manufacturing is among their worst for both necessity (labor costs) and greed (sheer profit margins). Nothing US made is the same quality as it was 40+ years ago, and executives have zero incentive to change that.

saying Chinese cars will be more expensive with tariffs doesn't mean Teslas will either go down in price

Are you on shrooms?
Who the fuck said Teslas would go down in price?

Saying "everyone does it" doesn't change the fact that American manufacturing is among their worst

ok bro

I brought up the issue of price in the post you replied to, not my fault your pea brain can't follow along more than one part of a whole subject at a time.

ok bro

Concession accepted.

I brought up the issue of price

So did I.

Nowhere did I say or imply the price of Teslas would go down.

fuck did you come to this conclusion?

Domestic IP "earnings", Domestic operation shuttering's, The success of foreign appliances including ones banned for sale because they would decimate our native industry (see GE, Ford) Tpc and overhead being unworkable in an overly expensive country, Failure to innovate (see intel) relying on dubious claims to Taiwan, basic common sense. It's a bit too late to try this, a last resort but it sure is funny. Ah well

No, they're a way of correcting for third-world wages and living conditions in third-world countries.

They will correct no such thing, what?

You only bought up the price of Chinese vehicles increasing to artificially kill competition in the market, I specifically brought up that domestic vehicle prices like Teslas are not only prices beyond their quality but can only go up with less competition. You might actually be too stupid to follow any real conversation holy shit

Pretty much everything innovative of worth is at the very least invented and designed in the US, including the chips they fabricate in Taiwan.
AI is from the US, EVs, the biggest tech firms, the biggest social media firms, crypto, ... all largely from the US.
And bringing the production back to the US only solidifies this.

They will correct no such thing

Of course they will.
Chinese crap is cheaper because wages there are cheaper. So slapping tariffs on Chinese goods helps cancel out this wage disparity.

prices can only go up with less competition

There's already tons of competition, every car maker under the sun is building EVs.
What's getting cut out is ARTIFICIAL comptition; i.e. third-world wages.

Advanced economies are ageing out and immigration is a bandaid on a gaping wound, not a long term solution. They want people in the wagecage for life, not retired and unproductive. Donny just doin a lil crash so we have no money and are forced to wage.

There's already tons of competition, every car maker under the sun is building EVs.

For electric vehicles? There is no real domestic competition, low American quality made sure of that and Tesla only gained ground being better before it dumped it's own quality into the shitter.

What's getting cut out is ARTIFICIAL comptition; i.e. third-world wages

You actually don't understand capitalism at all, and Americans are still being fucked over by thirdie wages at home thanks to HB1 imports except they're shitting in our streets instead of their home nation while sending most of their wages overseas. You genuinely aren't worth talking to, but at least you outted what a fucking retard you are.

Again, it's far too late to try to bring them back. Are we now making it all for ourselves? Or will we compete with all our new industry against China and India for foreign sales, at 45c an hour? Or insane prices with no added benefit.

AI

Deepseek was straight up stolen let's be honest.

EV's

I was watching a shittok my girl had on about some Chinese Bev that seemed better, cheaper, and less creaky than my GLS, but it was undoubtedly better than my model x. 0 question. The day those things are imported in Europe en masse will be a wakeup call.

Tech firms

Possible, but fundamentally crippled by chips+wages. This is why tech exploded so rapidly when they sold out to the east. Bringing this back would be fascinating given the losses.

Social Media

Possible, but a majority of those jobs are already here.

Crypto

Are you fucking kidding me?
Bottom line is that introducing these hardline tariffs are a massive misstep. It was a reaction of pride rather than logic and I get that, but the house was not in order, and now the leviathan of cracks are on display for the world to witness, a man essentially bullying brokies of the world. It's an exit scam try to get MORE land, MORE cash, MORE manual jobs, MORE red tape before the music stops

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It means we'll get the recession done and be in a splendid recovery by the midterms

yeah that's totally how that works lol
fucking retards

There is no real domestic competition

lmao, every brand under the sun is competing for EV market share. As your chart shows.

You actually don't understand capitalism at all

lmao

Americans are still being fucked over by thirdie wages at home thanks to HB1 imports

Even H1B imports are paid legal minimum wages at the very least.
And just because H1Bs might be a problem too, doesn't mean literal foreign third-world wages aren't unfair competition for Western wages.

I'm talking to a literal retard.