"I want to start a business"

Most of my research into a biz idea is usually a short path to the realization that the idea is not viable.

I feel this. I've done gone in circles time and time again with this kind of scenario. It's the hardest loop to get out of before finding something that is viable to start grinding out hours on. I'm fortunate enough to have friends that bounce concepts between each other all the time. The first real success I had was running an Amazon seller account that scaled very quickly. My friends got into it, got me into it shortly after, and it went from there. Quit my job, went all in. Turned a fair profit and it worked. I would probably still be doing this if they didn't somewhat destroy their 3rd party seller support.

pic related one of my daily shipments last Q4 around Christmas

Honestly it's mostly about trying things and learning from mistakes. I have by no means mastered this and have not made it yet, I do continue to try though. Most people have or can learn skills they can leverage for business, the difficult part is continuing to push and try over and over. Sometimes you get lucky and hit it early, other times it takes awhile. Hopefully this ramble helps in some way

Thank you brother, this gives me hopium.

One thing I'd add is that if you are a super online person whos also just generally aware of trends and all these crazy money-making ideas: dont assume that because YOU know about it, the market is already saturated

Think about how early some of us were aware of Bitcoin, youtubers, streamers, grifters, dropshipping, AI shit etc etc and how much they took off past the time we considered them old news

I am going to make a website and advertise it on Anon Babble and then I will become very wealthy

why would anybody who has a business want to coach the competition?

In order to make money online you need to get views from the algorithm, so how do you do that.

most countries are going to cashless so robbery and the like is out

We'll go back to the days of gangs robbing trains transporting bars of silver.

There is no such thing as some super secret business plan that will make you rich like the clown here . You could literally just get a truck and sell food in your local office district. There you go, "viable" business model.
Most people simply aren't self employed because its not worth it compared to getting safe income on a <40 hour workweek.
If you have your own business you aren't getting around
1. putting your own capital, and LOTS of it, on the line
2. irregular monthly income
3. insane work weeks, especially at the start

If you can deal with these 3 things, unless your being diliberately retarded like trying to sell VHS tapes to zoomers or something you can succeed, but most people just run out of money and dedication.

If you have your own business you aren't getting around

1. putting your own capital, and LOTS of it, on the line

this is not true in the slightest bit, and is also outdated boomer advice.

other peoples money

loans

middleman businesses

email/phone affiliate marketing

are all ways to start business without putting up your own capital

A good business to get into is drain and sewer. Average of $150 per call, just need 3 per day and you’re making $2250 a week. If you do repairs you will make even more.

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I run into a lot of developers whining about how they can't find a job, I'll ask why they don't just hack together a freemium app or game or something to make some side cash, and they won't put in that much effort unless they're 100% guaranteed to become a billionaire. It's like 40,000 lines of code tops, a few open source libraries, and some assets. This is a monumental task to these people, when it should be something they can throw together over a weekend or two, and they wonder why they can't get hired as a dev.

It's a weird loop where the usual losers and leftists repeated their nonsense about every successful person somehow being privileged or oppressed, but people internalized it in an egoitstic manner and decided that they should also have a bunch of money through some sort of scam, grift, or bureaucratic accident.

The mentality in the West has gotten really fucked up. People would rather spend a hundred hours trying to commit tax fraud or finding out what shitcoin to buy than spend fifty hours doing regular labor to make the same amount of money.

I have the same idea, problem is devs are by majority just worker bees, they don’t know how to find customers (I am technically in this boat too but trying to work my way out of it)

That's a lot of powdered nose snow

You're completely right anon. Especially with the safe salary part. I'll have to build something 'on the side' since my normie job is just good enough to keep the ambition sedated. I dream of starting over in another continent.

You just have to poast on the normiechans like x and insta etc. Marketing is a pain in the balls in the year of our lord.

The day of the mom and pop business in any western country is far past,

Literally the opposite is true, at least in the US. If anything, the days of slapping together a mobile app and selling it for millions is obsolete, since any jeet with ChatGPT access can do it. Much harder to replicate a plumbing business

Retarded tiktok scamfluencer tier "advice".
Bet your going to tell us to scam the VA next.
If it were so easy to just get access to other people money, everybody would be doing it, I bet you unironically believe what real estate "cash flow" scammers tell you on social media And btw "affiliate marketing" has been dead for probably 20 years,
Youre exactly the kind of retard who can't succeed because you somehow think no effort no investment "businesses" are a thing when youre competing with thousands of bucket shops from the third world.

and no one here ever makes threads about how to start one

there used to be plenty of real business threads
most of them third worlders actually making something of themselves within the confines of their existence
then the tranny janny came and banned literally all of it
Anon Babble has been completely compromised by the jannies to recreate it as a pay as you go shitcoin shilling place, at least for now they the leave major coin threads alone, but anons making it with business where they cant extract grift is simply not permitted

karmic justice was swift however as these action resulted in Anon Babble losing so many anons its the ghost town you see today and there is no other possibility then that the shilling budget for jannies has crater in unison with post counts

and they won't put in that much effort unless they're 100% guaranteed to become a billionaire

It's not that. You're competing with jeets and gpt devs or huge corps in a market where not only quality doesn't matter, but the products themselves mean absolutely fucking nothing. It's all about catching the next hype thing. No one wants to spend 4 months building something that will get no traction.
Software is past the gold rush phase and now it's just who can make the largest quantity of useless ai crap.

If it were so easy to just get access to other people money, everybody would be doing it

never said it was easy

Youre exactly the kind of retard who can't succeed because you somehow think no effort no investment "businesses" are a thing

i also didnt say “no effort”. if you could into reading comprehension for even a few moments you would see i said you can start a business without putting up a lot of capital. that doesnt mean no effort.

If youre too lazy to even do a little side project even just for fun, you won't ever play in the big leagues. Best case you make bank, worst case you gained some experience. In that field you don't even have meaningful upfront costs.

You're competing with jeets and gpt devs

This one isn’t as bad as you think it is. Products made by unskilled jeets who use gpt are noticeably bad, and companies who employ them create products that are also noticeably bad, but to a lesser extent (see: the growing hatred for Windows 11 and its multitude of bugs and performance issues, UI and UX issues, and more)

The average isn’t even that good, so if you’re better than average, you already have an advantage.

midwits cannot build businesses and have no business trying either
this is the domain of sub-100s and 130+ IQs

Products made by unskilled jeets who use gpt are noticeably bad

I think the worry is that if you pour your soul into a project and make something good, Chat JeetPT can copy it in like 2 days. And if you cry about it you get an email from MegaCorp, Inc saying "our lawyers are better than yours lmao"

But we're not talking hobby projects. You specifically mentioned

hack together a freemium app or game or something to make some side cash

Tho I'll concede that some devs manage to come up with something cool and monetizable even in these retarded times.

Sure, you're right the quality of software is really bad and you can really stand out if you have something nice. But the lifespan of these single dev projects is something like 3-6 months and then off to the next trend. No one in that space seems to give a fuck about quality. Any and all ai wrapper apps are a good example.

buy tarot cards, modern magic textbook, funny clothes and accessories

become a parapsychic

The only requirement is to be extroverted

I'd suggest not looking from the angle of researching ideas that other people are talking about. Ultimately you need to
1) Have a product or service that people or businesses would be willing to pay for
2) Make people aware of the product through some kind of marketing
3) Convince them to buy
4) Fulfill it
2-4 are just skills to learn or things that you grind through. The real key is your product.
Like others are saying on this thread if you throw together some random software, even if it's initially desirable you'll be swamped by clones quickly. If you dropshit something successfully for a while, other dropshitters will drive your returns to below minimum wage with competition.
You have to work within this reality and see what combination of skills or knowledge you have that are difficult or slow to replicate that can be used to provide value to people (this difficulty is a "moat" to competition). This makes the process very individual so taking specifics from others doesn't really work. Eventually the competition will get you, but ideally if you're a curious and adaptable person you're adding more to your skills and knowledge for your next product.
Anyone shilling you a specific business idea is just looking from profiting selling you a course on how to do something that's already commodified that sounds attractive and easy.

I'll ask why they don't just hack together a freemium app or game or something to make some side cash

probably because nobody plays random freemium games or uses random freemium apps lol. A more realistic suggestion would be web design for local businesses

Half of the revenue of the $217 billion per year video game industry comes from freemium mobile games.

the lions share of that revenue is definitely generated by the mobile game equivalent of AAA companies with some outliers like candy crush or subway surfers that are relics from a different time

Which are dominated by corps like supercell tencent and ea who have endless marketing budgets.
Making the game is probably 0.1% of what they spend on marketing same game. And you think a solo dev has any chance to compete?

Yes, because people who play videogames tend to play more than just one game over the course of their entire life. Also the fact that the bar for profit for AAA studios is several orders of magnitude more than what a solo dev should consider a "success". And because indie projects have guerilla marketing and word of mouth.

This kind of reductionist thinking is useless and just ends in nihilism. Why even live if you can't be another einstein?
Gaming is particularly ripe for disruption because you have all these gigantic companies that once were small dedicated studios that now just pump out slop every year.
Just think of what happened to blizzard.

a lot of people have this childish rivalry understanding of market competition where they see very similar products competing in ads, especially ones within a niche, and assume that's just how the economy naturally works. It's all manufactured. Coke and Pepsi aren't actually fighting with each other, neither would be multinational conglomerates if the other didn't exist to reinforce team loyalty over the decades. Same with Sega and Nintendo, Xbox and PlayStation. Players playing any other mobile game is good for you because it keeps them in the space and comfortable with paying and interested and more will eventually filter to you. The real competition to Coca Cola is water, the real competition to freemium games is TikTok and Amazon.

Has anyone here tried vending machines? I’ve been thinking about starting a small side business setting up vending machines, biggest struggle so far is finding place Im allowed to put them