Construction worker here - Last five hires [newbies] we had were all dudes who had high tier degrees from great colleges; they said even with internships + references - they couldn't get any job.
True?
How is it out there?
Construction worker here - Last five hires [newbies] we had were all dudes who had high tier degrees from great...
False.
It's true for useless fucks and people who only took the degree for money. They get what they deserve lmao.
Anecdotal evidence is just that, anecdotal. Most people in these programs are still getting high paying white collar jewbs
Almost everyone gets the degree for money, not to mention social approval. If they just IQ and skills tested you how would the low iq kike rats at the top pretend go on living if they had to actually work for their lot in life.
There is a genus of parasitic beetle that thrives on invading beehives and feasting on the honey and larvae within. The way I can most easily summarize tech today is, we're at the point where most of the bees are dead, there is no new honey flowing, and the beetles are trying to cannibalize each other. In case you haven't noticed, not a lot of new stuff is being made, and most devs you'll talk to think building new things is insane and impossible.
Most FAANG companies opened up to non-degree holders in the 2010s because Ivy League grads, while being smart, were also prone to becoming gigantic rent seekers who became worthless eaters at the company, and they wanted to let in passionate enthusiasts. Instead, they let in uneducated rent seekers. The fake it till you make it crowd. At this point, anyone with a spine and some dev knowledge has either retired through savings or built something themselves, which is the exact advice they were directly given by the whole Learn2Code movement a decade ago. Hack together a piece of crap to call your own. Build something.
smart peopleve been moving ahead of the curve since forever and back in the 2000s CS was a nobrainer, not so much today. now you would be wise to pursue either medicine or mathematics, the former would need a really long time before being replaced with AI and the latter write the AI to replace everyones job
The smartest boys are in finance and BA
Nice larp. I attended a bottom-tier college and every fellow biology/biochem PhD I know got a strong job. I make 170k/yr.
How much do you have in crypto? With that salary it shouldn't be hard to make it
It's weird. I work construction here in Australia, and I'm convinced it hasn't been as busy ever since we had a 1 month lockdown in August-September 2021. Before then I remember driving around and there were tradesmen everywhere, music blasting, etc. It's been quiet ever since.
Nobody cares about web devs anymore, it's all AI now.
You can't win a fight with defense alone, you can't win a fight by running away. People should really find the field that, personally, makes them channel all of their rage and energy into winning at all costs and pushing their own limits beyond what they thought possible. That's where talent is honed, otherwise you'll have to learn to live with being a mediocre nobody.
True
stanford grad out here (masters)
i've landed some job offers (but couldn't take them due to location and needing to take care of family)
but when i finished in 2021 i could get multiple offers in a month, now i haven't gotten one in a year.
Due to crypto i don't need a job but if i did i would go the trades route after getting a masters in statistics, it hurts desu
Lockdown did lead to many middle-class people foregoing their skiing and tropical holidays and putting their unspent pennies into house extensions/renovations.
I think I am the only carpenter/builder on my firm that has a BA degree.
Historian here
I feel like getting a history degree is even worse. You’d expect low paying jobs to hire you but the degree is actually a hindrance.
This thread is making me feel better about becoming an underachieving tradie (electrician). Did two year vo tech on my parents dime, but could have done college if I hadn't been lazy and unmotivated. Pulling about 110k a year in a 40 hour a week maintenance gig so it could be worse.
My friend graduated with a CS degree less than ten years ago, and is already talking about bagging out completely, buying a non tech related business, and living off passive income. And this is after a few cushy years of remote work. He sees something coming.
just be a buisiness studies chad like me
Preach it, brother.
I have a masters degree in data science and I work as a dishwasher. I'm only applying to full remote jobs, not bothering in the humiliation ritual that is commuting to an office.
were they in Software engineering?
That field is now massively oversupplied and companies are still bloated with the hiring sprees from Covid, good luck getting a job as a software engineer nowadays
not that uncommon. i became a lineman apprentice 2 years after graduating from UC Berkeley.
The educators told them to.
respect authority
authority fucks you over
do what is right
get punished
do what is wrong
get punished
point this out
skill issue, bad strat, etc
We seeing the madness innate yet lads? Clown world indeed.
I've had great jobs for a while, worked through my associates degree, now working through my bachelors making ~85k, debt free babee. I definitely think the degree will open up some doors. But would it if I didn't have a decade of experience? hell naw.
That's the problem. Gov should give companies that deliberately hire new workers more incentive and ease to train and utilize workers. Maybe rework agreements in terms of locality, base pay, and structuring to expand the concept of apprenticeship through the industries. But don't half ass it or leave too wide a margin to exploit or convolute the process. Ensure terms are binding, and prior education on specifics and declaration to agreement are in full and consistent.
most places can barely create accurate job postings
Cope thread
its actually not bloated its just full of niggers that dont know shit and are still retained somehow. theres a shortage of knowledge not a surplus of it.
gov will always half ass it and leave too much exploitation.
True for comp sci ime. In 2023 and the first part of 2024 I applied to hundreds of internships, entry level jobs, even just tangentially related tech roles. Several hundreds of applications and I only had 3 interviews, 1 which was Indian scammers and the other 2 just ghosted me.
I applied for ONE (1) job in finance despite 0 background in it, got interviewed and hired. It took a very long time (6 months) between being told I was hired and starting the actual job. Now I have passed exams and have several licenses. I am so glad I went this route, fuck technology and fuck computer science. Way less humiliation rituals and hopefully better job security seeing as you need to be licensed to work in securities industry. I'm especially grateful I got in before all the disgraced software cringeineers give up and start saturating this field. I definitely met several others in my program who had similar story to me, but AFAIK im the only one who actually passed all the series exams and made it to the end. There were also a few medical industry ppl in the program, they also failed
O yeah forgot to mention I also had several projects including web apps and some ML stuff where I built my own dataset through web scraping, data visualizations, NLP. In case someone says it's because I didn't have projects. Tech is so fucking oversaturated. I was still getting at least 1 or 2 automated email rejections every day until a few months ago.
It sucks-degree in CS working in a factory with Chinese immigrants. Some QTs though.
I have a masters in business and logistics and I am also a construction worker. I quit my office job for a fully remote position, and after my entire team got laid off ill never go back in the office. thanks for reading my blog post.
Telling everybody to code ruined oversaturated the market. The lockdowns overhired and are still recovering
The smartest boys are in math and physics. Finance and BA are for midwit jocks with connections and good tutors.
chose economics because I just liked it
got le Good Jobs because of autistic special interests making me seem like an expert in random shit
Anyways the main reason people struggle with the job search is because they do it in typical zoomer fashion: online, low effort, minimum human interaction. Literally filtered
The key is to have the smallest degrees of separation between yourself and the person actually making the hiring decision
That linkedin application is dead from the start, business.com/jobs isn't much better
I cold emailed a CEO and got a job from it, twice
Wtf is there to lose?
most devs you'll talk to think building new things is insane and impossible
Because most things could be built by throwing some decent backend code on a VPS with a MySQL/Postgres DB with a little bit of Javascript on the frontend...but FAANGgots have convinced the world that you need an SPA with mirrored backend code (so, 2 code repositories), Kubernetes, Docker and a CI/CD pipeline with Terraform just to have a 100-visitor-a-day web app.
The whole industry is fucking retarded.
True, but partly because companies, even big tech ones, seemingly hired everyone with a pulse right after 2020. I know someone who took a short bootcamp, didn’t even know how to use an array after, failed both their coding tests, still got hired as a software dev in 2021.
The market is oversaturated as hell with so many of these “software devs” and HR seems useless in determining who is actually qualified, making it harder for people who actually have experience.
Companies used to train so I don't accept this excuse. If you hired someone who sucks at their job, put them in a remedial section until they're good enough to get with everybody else.
This really doesn't work with coding in my experience. If you're motivated you'll get better, but if you're just clocking in and clocking out for the high pay there's not much anyone can do to help you.
Pair programming
Also, it worked for decades before the dotcom bubble fucked everything up.
Pair programming is kind of horrible actually. Good software engineering involves constant collaboration but not handholding and micromanagement it interrupts the "zone" and stream of thinking. It's better to give a junior some general direction, 2 hours, and then come back to see where they're at.
bro you're commuting to a fucking restaurant that isn't humiliating?
Nowadays we are automating the bees. There will always be dev jobs until we reach an automated paradise.
I think one underrated element to this is that the current generation is far more neurotic on average than previous cohorts, it's very very hard to survive in the modern workforce without soft skills, like the ability to speak comfortably in front of a crowd or work decently in a team. Call it the feminization of the workforce, the increase in autism, people becoming fat shutins, or even just double down on it being about who your know rather than what you know; the average quality of a Western college graduate has declined over the last decade in all metrics, including their social skills.
People were forced to socialize from a very young age pre-smartphone/tablet era. It's kind of wild that what was "shut in/nerdy" for my generation as a kid is now just normal.
Pair programming is a crutch for people who suck at their job, sorry. It's useful for debugging or when one person is stuck, but expecting a senior to sit with a junior and spoonfeed solutions to them is ridiculous. You give them an easier task and let them go do it like suggests. If they're motivated they will improve and ask the right questions. If they're just an ass in a chair they should do something else. Not everyone is meant to be a coder just like not everyone is a good chef or electrician, and there's nothing wrong with that. It's Reddit-tier to assume someone who fails at coding is because they just weren't given enough training.
It's walking distance from my house and in a 95% White town. No such job exists for office "work".
I agree with this. I think it's because there is no objective concept of "merit" or "talent", just psychopathic hiring practices and hoop-jumping starkly contrasted with DEI and "it's not faiiiiiirrr" whinging - basically third world mentality. The West no longer celebrates competence, truth or achievement and everyone is absorbed in weird online echo chambers like this Azerbaijani duck breeding forum to cope with it.
You forgot the worst of it.
watch niggers do what is wrong
They advance their career.